I'm not sure what gave any of you the impression that I'm some 12 year old-
that doesn't know anything about VT athletics and its history. It's a pretty tired cliche to dismiss any opinion that differs from yours as the uninformed musings of a child. I had to set someone straight on Friday about my VT bona fides, and I'm not typing all that out again. You can rest assured that I am well over 40 years old, I have followed VT football basically all my life, half of which when they were nothing but a regional power where you could buy tickets at the gate, and that I am on the level when it comes to the history of VT athletics.
I understand how/why VT joined the ACC, and, clearly, it was the best move for VT at the time. The ACC was the most lucrative college conference in the country then. I've also never made any argument that the Big East or the Atlantic-10 was better for VT sports. The Big East was unstable and had other problems. The A10 was a real disaster; I still shutter when I think of having to watch VT play LaSalle. What I'm saying is that, right now, today, the net-negatives are starting to pile up so deep that it's becoming clear that VT in the ACC has, OVERALL, been bad for VT. I really hope VT leadership recognizes this, and makes it out into a better situation, because the VT-ACC era is not going to be remembered as some golden age, like some of you on here think it will. It's going to be looked at as initially a good partnership that became a major calamity.
Let's break it down - VT hasn't sniffed an ACC championship since 2016, and it was 2011 before that. They never made it to the same echelon of success they did while in the Big East Football Conference. With the exception of Fuente's first season, they've now basically been a complete non-factor in the conference for a decade and nationally for well over a decade. They're stuck in a conference made up almost entirely of relatively small-enrollment schools that are primarily focused on basketball, with schools in Texas and California that don't draw TV eyes for anything, let alone football. The conference has what is, by all accounts, a terrible media rights deal that is locked in until 2036, 5 years longer than every other major conference, who will all get to renegotiate in 2031. And, on top of all that, they're about to get even less money, because, to get FSU and Clemson to stay on for another 10 years, the conference is going to start distributing media rights money based upon broadcast viewership. I don't know if either of you noticed, but VT hasn't been playing on network TV, ESPN, or ESPN2 much in the past 5 years, so I really don't think that's going to help VT's bottom line. They also will now play Notre Dame even less than they were before, because ESPN apparently only wants to schedule Notre Dame vs. FSU, Miami, and Clemson. And, FSU and Clemson (probably Miami too, at least they appear to have some semblance of self-interest) are just going to leave the conference as soon as they can anyway, which is going to trigger a panicked mass exit by any other schools that can.
So, you all can sit around all day and say, "well, they could be OSU or WSU," but they're not. They've never been in that position, but they're sure going to be in 2036 (or sooner) when the football brands all leave the ACC, which is 100%, zero uncertainty, definitely going to happen. No serious football brand will ever sign another GOR to the ACC after everything that has transpired in the last decade and the clear incompetence demonstrated by the conference administration.
Yes, VT had great success when they first entered the conference, but that's been 20 years ago now. 20 years ago, nobody was saying VT couldn't compete with the big boys, or that the ACC was a second rate joke conference. All that negativity and corresponding financial difficulty is thanks to 20 years of bad decisions and laurel resting, both by the folks at VT and the ACC. So, my opinion and my point is, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, VIEWED NOW, TODAY, IN CONTEXT - the ACC is looking more and more like a net negative for VT.
Thread Replies (61)
ESPN opted in and the ACC approved.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 30, 2025 at 05:24 PM ET
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01/30/25 05:24 PM ET
I do wonder if those “value adds” means more expansion
-- Victor Tango
Jan 30, 2025 at 10:29 PM ET
Victor Tango
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01/30/25 10:29 PM ET
Some previously scheduled ND games will be reallocated to the brand schools
-- 1947Sunbowl
Jan 30, 2025 at 10:51 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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01/30/25 10:51 PM ET
Yep. This extension was a disaster for VT.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 31, 2025 at 11:33 AM ET
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01/31/25 11:33 AM ET
Well, it would depend on your expectations if VT in the ACC
-- saret
Feb 01, 2025 at 10:57 AM ET
saret
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02/01/25 10:57 AM ET
Hate it when you old guys remember history. It's so disconcerting
-- saret
Feb 01, 2025 at 10:44 AM ET
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02/01/25 10:44 AM ET
I'm not sure what gave any of you the impression that I'm some 12 year old-
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-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 03, 2025 at 10:26 AM ET
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02/03/25 10:26 AM ET
Some of what you say is true.......
-- 2hhoop3
Feb 03, 2025 at 12:08 PM ET
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02/03/25 12:08 PM ET
VT is certainly not blameless in this whole mess.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 03, 2025 at 01:07 PM ET
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02/03/25 01:07 PM ET
I think the ACC's biggest problem, money notwithstanding, is-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 03, 2025 at 01:22 PM ET
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02/03/25 01:22 PM ET
I'll see if I can reply to your reply to me.
-- saret
Feb 03, 2025 at 11:22 AM ET
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02/03/25 11:22 AM ET
To me, the logic is OK, but the premise is shaky. I've seen no
-- saret
Feb 03, 2025 at 01:51 PM ET
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02/03/25 01:51 PM ET
ND is not joining the ACC, or any other conference.
-- mancunian
Jan 31, 2025 at 11:44 AM ET
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01/31/25 11:44 AM ET
I would prefer the ACC toss out ND in it's entirety.
-- Atlee Hokie
Feb 01, 2025 at 01:54 PM ET
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02/01/25 01:54 PM ET
Football independence is a religion at ND
-- TerryD
Jan 31, 2025 at 10:47 AM ET
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01/31/25 10:47 AM ET
Forgot to include one other thing...
-- The_VT_Rock
Jan 31, 2025 at 09:49 AM ET
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01/31/25 09:49 AM ET
Haha TerryD I complained about ND not playing the top 3 enough, now are
-- Stech
Jan 30, 2025 at 07:59 PM ET
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01/30/25 07:59 PM ET
ND isn't going to play more ACC games
-- TerryD
Jan 30, 2025 at 08:05 PM ET
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01/30/25 08:05 PM ET
Does that continue if F$U continues to suck and Miami continues being Miami
-- EDGEMAN
Jan 31, 2025 at 08:09 AM ET
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01/31/25 08:09 AM ET
ND could do an independent deal with Stanford
-- HOO86
Jan 30, 2025 at 09:22 PM ET
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01/30/25 09:22 PM ET
That's why I said outside the ACC games.
-- HOO86
Jan 31, 2025 at 07:51 AM ET
HOO86
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01/31/25 07:51 AM ET
Didn’t U believe ND wouldn’t agree 2 play 5 ACC 🏈games before it happened?
-- Stech
Jan 31, 2025 at 08:20 PM ET
Stech
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01/31/25 08:20 PM ET
That’s not true and you know it, for either one of us.**
-- Stech
Feb 01, 2025 at 08:25 AM ET
Stech
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02/01/25 08:25 AM ET
Wasn’t the question to you, the question was did you think they would do it
-- Stech
Feb 01, 2025 at 10:55 AM ET
Stech
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02/01/25 10:55 AM ET
My question is what does ND do if th P2 break off and only play each other?
-- Stech
Jan 30, 2025 at 11:26 PM ET
Stech
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01/30/25 11:26 PM ET
I don’t want it to happen, not at all, just wanted your opinion if it did.
-- Stech
Jan 31, 2025 at 08:13 PM ET
Stech
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01/31/25 08:13 PM ET
You are on a roll, you didn’t answer the question again, but your answer
-- Stech
Feb 01, 2025 at 08:27 AM ET
Stech
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02/01/25 08:27 AM ET
I don’t reach or ignore, your describing yourself, especially on admitting
-- Stech
Feb 01, 2025 at 11:11 AM ET
Stech
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02/01/25 11:11 AM ET
Football is still not a conference member
-- TerryD
Feb 03, 2025 at 12:53 PM ET
TerryD
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02/03/25 12:53 PM ET
Changing the subject from you never thinking they would sign 5 🏈 ACC games
-- Stech
Feb 03, 2025 at 02:03 PM ET
Stech
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02/03/25 02:03 PM ET
Given that the schools are currently meeting to re-organize the NCAA, it is
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 31, 2025 at 08:35 AM ET
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01/31/25 08:35 AM ET
Unless people attending those meetings are publicly revealing anything
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 31, 2025 at 09:02 AM ET
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01/31/25 09:02 AM ET
P.S. I called it "mission creep" and still do**
-- TerryD
Jan 30, 2025 at 10:48 PM ET
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01/30/25 10:48 PM ET
Like having ND as a mutual partner, strongly dislike the arrogance.**
-- Hardcore_Hokie
Jan 30, 2025 at 08:58 PM ET
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01/30/25 08:58 PM ET
Maybe my comprehension is wrong. I read it as ND will
-- Big12 guy
Jan 30, 2025 at 08:02 PM ET
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01/30/25 08:02 PM ET
I can see the following scenario:
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 30, 2025 at 07:36 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/30/25 07:36 PM ET
The ACC needs ND more than ND needs the ACC. I read it
-- Big12 guy
Jan 30, 2025 at 07:46 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/30/25 07:46 PM ET
Typical Big 12 fan POV.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 30, 2025 at 08:19 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/30/25 08:19 PM ET
So if VT starts crushing it, we may be playing ND more often
-- Marooned
Jan 30, 2025 at 09:31 PM ET
Marooned
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01/30/25 09:31 PM ET
Yeah, but that's not the deal.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jan 31, 2025 at 11:37 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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01/31/25 11:37 AM ET
No better time than now to wreck civilization and let
-- Marooned
Jan 31, 2025 at 06:16 PM ET
Marooned
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01/31/25 06:16 PM ET
I won't make some generalization because of a moniker
-- Big12 guy
Jan 30, 2025 at 08:44 PM ET
Big12 guy
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01/30/25 08:44 PM ET
ND - Stanford contract expired in 2024
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jan 30, 2025 at 09:23 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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01/30/25 09:23 PM ET
Wowww!!! 11 year GOR approved is big news!!!**
-- Stech
Jan 30, 2025 at 05:31 PM ET
Stech
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01/30/25 05:31 PM ET
Yes, this is good news for the ACC.
-- Truthahn
Feb 04, 2025 at 01:19 PM ET
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02/04/25 01:19 PM ET
11 more years of people saying the ACC will self destruct
-- PadrosWindup
Jan 30, 2025 at 06:29 PM ET
PadrosWindup
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01/30/25 06:29 PM ET
Here is the link on the article **
-- Stech
Jan 30, 2025 at 05:39 PM ET
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01/30/25 05:39 PM ET