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I'm not sure what gave any of you the impression that I'm some 12 year old-

that doesn't know anything about VT athletics and its history. It's a pretty tired cliche to dismiss any opinion that differs from yours as the uninformed musings of a child. I had to set someone straight on Friday about my VT bona fides, and I'm not typing all that out again. You can rest assured that I am well over 40 years old, I have followed VT football basically all my life, half of which when they were nothing but a regional power where you could buy tickets at the gate, and that I am on the level when it comes to the history of VT athletics. I understand how/why VT joined the ACC, and, clearly, it was the best move for VT at the time. The ACC was the most lucrative college conference in the country then. I've also never made any argument that the Big East or the Atlantic-10 was better for VT sports. The Big East was unstable and had other problems. The A10 was a real disaster; I still shutter when I think of having to watch VT play LaSalle. What I'm saying is that, right now, today, the net-negatives are starting to pile up so deep that it's becoming clear that VT in the ACC has, OVERALL, been bad for VT. I really hope VT leadership recognizes this, and makes it out into a better situation, because the VT-ACC era is not going to be remembered as some golden age, like some of you on here think it will. It's going to be looked at as initially a good partnership that became a major calamity. Let's break it down - VT hasn't sniffed an ACC championship since 2016, and it was 2011 before that. They never made it to the same echelon of success they did while in the Big East Football Conference. With the exception of Fuente's first season, they've now basically been a complete non-factor in the conference for a decade and nationally for well over a decade. They're stuck in a conference made up almost entirely of relatively small-enrollment schools that are primarily focused on basketball, with schools in Texas and California that don't draw TV eyes for anything, let alone football. The conference has what is, by all accounts, a terrible media rights deal that is locked in until 2036, 5 years longer than every other major conference, who will all get to renegotiate in 2031. And, on top of all that, they're about to get even less money, because, to get FSU and Clemson to stay on for another 10 years, the conference is going to start distributing media rights money based upon broadcast viewership. I don't know if either of you noticed, but VT hasn't been playing on network TV, ESPN, or ESPN2 much in the past 5 years, so I really don't think that's going to help VT's bottom line. They also will now play Notre Dame even less than they were before, because ESPN apparently only wants to schedule Notre Dame vs. FSU, Miami, and Clemson. And, FSU and Clemson (probably Miami too, at least they appear to have some semblance of self-interest) are just going to leave the conference as soon as they can anyway, which is going to trigger a panicked mass exit by any other schools that can. So, you all can sit around all day and say, "well, they could be OSU or WSU," but they're not. They've never been in that position, but they're sure going to be in 2036 (or sooner) when the football brands all leave the ACC, which is 100%, zero uncertainty, definitely going to happen. No serious football brand will ever sign another GOR to the ACC after everything that has transpired in the last decade and the clear incompetence demonstrated by the conference administration. Yes, VT had great success when they first entered the conference, but that's been 20 years ago now. 20 years ago, nobody was saying VT couldn't compete with the big boys, or that the ACC was a second rate joke conference. All that negativity and corresponding financial difficulty is thanks to 20 years of bad decisions and laurel resting, both by the folks at VT and the ACC. So, my opinion and my point is, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, VIEWED NOW, TODAY, IN CONTEXT - the ACC is looking more and more like a net negative for VT.
Posted: 02/03/2025 at 10:26 AM ET
(In response to this post by saret)

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ESPN opted in and the ACC approved.
RandomAsianGuy 01/30/25 05:24 PM ET
I do wonder if those “value adds” means more expansion
Victor Tango 01/30/25 10:29 PM ET
Doubt it
Marooned 01/31/25 06:26 AM ET
Some previously scheduled ND games will be reallocated to the brand schools
1947Sunbowl 01/30/25 10:51 PM ET
Yep. This extension was a disaster for VT.
Baltimore_Hokie 01/31/25 11:33 AM ET
Well, it would depend on your expectations if VT in the ACC
saret 02/01/25 10:57 AM ET
Granted that........
2hhoop3 02/01/25 09:57 AM ET
Hate it when you old guys remember history. It's so disconcerting
saret 02/01/25 10:44 AM ET
I'm not sure what gave any of you the impression that I'm some 12 year old-
Baltimore_Hokie 02/03/25 10:26 AM ET
Some of what you say is true.......
2hhoop3 02/03/25 12:08 PM ET
VT is certainly not blameless in this whole mess.
Baltimore_Hokie 02/03/25 01:07 PM ET
Conference affiliation.......
2hhoop3 02/03/25 01:13 PM ET
I think the ACC's biggest problem, money notwithstanding, is-
Baltimore_Hokie 02/03/25 01:22 PM ET
It is a very big......
2hhoop3 02/03/25 01:48 PM ET
I'll see if I can reply to your reply to me.
saret 02/03/25 11:22 AM ET
ACC and ESPN new deal?
HOO86 01/30/25 07:25 PM ET
Soooo...
The_VT_Rock 01/31/25 09:07 AM ET
To me, the logic is OK, but the premise is shaky. I've seen no
saret 02/03/25 01:51 PM ET
ND is not joining the ACC, or any other conference.
mancunian 01/31/25 11:44 AM ET
I would prefer the ACC toss out ND in it's entirety.
Atlee Hokie 02/01/25 01:54 PM ET
Football independence is a religion at ND
TerryD 01/31/25 10:47 AM ET
Forgot to include one other thing...
The_VT_Rock 01/31/25 09:49 AM ET
Haha TerryD I complained about ND not playing the top 3 enough, now are
Stech 01/30/25 07:59 PM ET
ND isn't going to play more ACC games
TerryD 01/30/25 08:05 PM ET
Does that continue if F$U continues to suck and Miami continues being Miami
EDGEMAN 01/31/25 08:09 AM ET
No guarantee
MrFantastic! 01/31/25 05:28 AM ET
ND could do an independent deal with Stanford
HOO86 01/30/25 09:22 PM ET
Stanford wasn't in the ACC then
TerryD 01/30/25 10:47 PM ET
That's why I said outside the ACC games.
HOO86 01/31/25 07:51 AM ET
Lol, Stanford is still ACC
TerryD 01/31/25 08:57 AM ET
Didn’t U believe ND wouldn’t agree 2 play 5 ACC 🏈games before it happened?
Stech 01/31/25 08:20 PM ET
I had no opinion on it in 2012
TerryD 02/01/25 08:08 AM ET
That’s not true and you know it, for either one of us.**
Stech 02/01/25 08:25 AM ET
Huh?
TerryD 02/01/25 09:59 AM ET
Wasn’t the question to you, the question was did you think they would do it
Stech 02/01/25 10:55 AM ET
My question is what does ND do if th P2 break off and only play each other?
Stech 01/30/25 11:26 PM ET
It's not likely, sorry
TerryD 01/30/25 11:36 PM ET
I don’t want it to happen, not at all, just wanted your opinion if it did.
Stech 01/31/25 08:13 PM ET
Not at all
TerryD 02/01/25 08:09 AM ET
You are on a roll, you didn’t answer the question again, but your answer
Stech 02/01/25 08:27 AM ET
You reach and ignore often
TerryD 02/01/25 10:19 AM ET
I don’t reach or ignore, your describing yourself, especially on admitting
Stech 02/01/25 11:11 AM ET
Football is still not a conference member
TerryD 02/03/25 12:53 PM ET
Changing the subject from you never thinking they would sign 5 🏈 ACC games
Stech 02/03/25 02:03 PM ET
Given that the schools are currently meeting to re-organize the NCAA, it is
VTHokie2000 01/31/25 08:35 AM ET
That is all "future tripping",
TerryD 01/31/25 08:59 AM ET
Unless people attending those meetings are publicly revealing anything
VTHokie2000 01/31/25 09:02 AM ET
P.S. I called it "mission creep" and still do**
TerryD 01/30/25 10:48 PM ET
Like having ND as a mutual partner, strongly dislike the arrogance.**
Hardcore_Hokie 01/30/25 08:58 PM ET
Maybe my comprehension is wrong. I read it as ND will
Big12 guy 01/30/25 08:02 PM ET
I can see the following scenario:
RandomAsianGuy 01/30/25 07:36 PM ET
The ACC needs ND more than ND needs the ACC. I read it
Big12 guy 01/30/25 07:46 PM ET
Typical Big 12 fan POV.
RandomAsianGuy 01/30/25 08:19 PM ET
So if VT starts crushing it, we may be playing ND more often
Marooned 01/30/25 09:31 PM ET
Yeah, but that's not the deal.
Baltimore_Hokie 01/31/25 11:37 AM ET
No better time than now to wreck civilization and let
Marooned 01/31/25 06:16 PM ET
I won't make some generalization because of a moniker
Big12 guy 01/30/25 08:44 PM ET
ND - Stanford contract expired in 2024
RandomAsianGuy 01/30/25 09:23 PM ET
Wowww!!! 11 year GOR approved is big news!!!**
Stech 01/30/25 05:31 PM ET
Yes, this is good news for the ACC.
Truthahn 02/04/25 01:19 PM ET
11 more years of people saying the ACC will self destruct
PadrosWindup 01/30/25 06:29 PM ET
Here is the link on the article **
Stech 01/30/25 05:39 PM ET