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No, definitely not clearly better, but the B12 doesn't have

the bottom 6 of your conference. I think that may be the difference moving forward - at least with what the media companies will pay. ** Edited by Big12 guy at 4/20/2024, 3:32:59 PM
Posted: 04/20/2024 at 03:32 PM ET
(In response to this post by VTCALS72)

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The ACC does not equal the PAC
VT ChemE 1986 • 04/20/24 12:56 PM ET
Sure, it'll survive and here's what it'll look like by 2030 (+- 5 years)
HokieNoVA • 04/21/24 01:50 PM ET
So many Sooth sayers in here tonight. Glad we all now know the ACC's
ancient alien 2018 • 04/22/24 02:33 AM ET
No problem, happy to help.**
HokieNoVA • 04/22/24 09:50 AM ET
Delete SMU and add Liberty**
CrystalCoveHokie • 04/21/24 04:55 PM ET
500,000 downvotes!! You really want that cesspool of hypocrites in the ACC?**
ancient alien 2018 • 04/22/24 02:28 AM ET
The best Liberty can do is get in Conference USA and you want to add them?**
HokiesACC2004 • 04/21/24 10:15 PM ET
You left out VaTech and NCState
VPI 1924 • 04/21/24 03:49 PM ET
It will survive as long as ND wants it to.
Millpoint • 04/21/24 08:49 AM ET
Once FSU/Clemson leave
INSIDE99 • 04/21/24 08:40 PM ET
Agreed, which as long as ironically ND wants to be independent. ND Olympic
Stech • 04/21/24 09:18 AM ET
Honestly......
2hhoop3 • 04/21/24 09:54 AM ET
Amen
Minden Hokie • 04/22/24 09:34 AM ET
Hear! Hear! They have a recognized path out of the conference.
saret • 04/21/24 10:07 AM ET
Careful what you ask for, it looks like they are negotiating
Big12 guy • 04/21/24 11:23 AM ET
Let me guess, you also have "sources" that told you this? **
ancient alien 2018 • 04/22/24 02:31 AM ET
I really don't want them in the ACC anymore.
Atlee Hokie • 04/21/24 03:01 PM ET
I could really care less what FSU and/or Clemson do.
saret • 04/21/24 02:32 PM ET
Agree, well stated saret !**
FLKEYSHOKIE • 04/21/24 05:14 PM ET
Don't let them out at a discount!
EDGEMAN • 04/21/24 03:36 PM ET
ESPN will sweet talk the ACC presidents and FSU and Clemson...
Old Line Hokie • 04/21/24 06:13 PM ET
Dec 3
INSIDE99 • 04/21/24 09:00 PM ET
You may be right, but I hope sincerely you are not.**
saret • 04/21/24 08:26 PM ET
I’m sure the ACC execs have experts telling them how much
Marooned • 04/21/24 07:21 PM ET
It will be alive in some shape or form **
HokiesACC2004 • 04/20/24 07:41 PM ET
Sweet talk with a better media contract? seems that is
Big12 guy • 04/21/24 06:21 PM ET
I think you are incorrect
DrHokie • 04/20/24 07:29 PM ET
It’s true like the B12 w/o Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska & Missouri
Stech • 04/20/24 10:36 PM ET
B12 picked up decent remnants of the PAC too
Marooned • 04/21/24 07:24 PM ET
When the ACC loses FSU and Clemson, I think they could still survive and
VPI_1998 • 04/20/24 08:07 PM ET
Carolina is key for sure**
Millpoint • 04/21/24 09:25 AM ET
For 🏀 they’re important, but UCONN can fill that gap. Ever been to UNC 🏈
Stech • 04/21/24 01:15 PM ET
That’s true
Millpoint • 04/21/24 02:11 PM ET
True, although NC State has a better football record as of late.**
Stech • 04/21/24 03:57 PM ET
I agree with this 100% While i have yet to visit a stadium in Virginia, I
Big12 guy • 04/21/24 01:41 PM ET
Yeah I was startled except the NC State game, much better than the other 3.**
Stech • 04/21/24 04:00 PM ET
Replacing FSU with South Florida would be number 1 on my list **
HokiesACC2004 • 04/20/24 11:51 PM ET
The PAC turned down $25M a year from ESPN (reported), the B12
Big12 guy • 04/20/24 02:15 PM ET
ESPN needs 🏀 content outside the Southeast, 🦊 has B1G, B12 & Big East.
Stech • 04/21/24 08:54 AM ET
The current environment discards basketball as the main driver
Big12 guy • 04/21/24 09:47 AM ET
My real question is what is best for VT.
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 04:00 PM ET
The worst case scenario is being the #4 football conference...
Old Line Hokie • 04/20/24 01:08 PM ET
Losing FSU and Clemson would not move the XII "clearly" ahead of the ACC
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 01:31 PM ET
If FSU and Clemson bolt. I'd like to see the ACC grab OKST, Kansas, AZ
TDVick • 05/01/24 05:39 AM ET
You lost me at "biggest brands are T Tech and BYU"
Tailgate Guru • 04/23/24 01:20 PM ET
Agree with the basic assessment, but not clear on the TT and BYU
GALOISGROUP • 04/21/24 03:56 AM ET
Not in football **
CrystalCoveHokie • 04/20/24 06:28 PM ET
There are endless ways of trying to predict the fate of The ACC after the
33laszlo99 • 04/20/24 04:00 PM ET
Yes but that misses THE question, what leaves VT in the best position.
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 04:10 PM ET
VTCAL, you seem to view this as a race between The ACC and The Big 12 for
33laszlo99 • 04/20/24 04:41 PM ET
How did you get that? No you have it totally wrong
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 05:59 PM ET
You get props for your optimism. I could post some of Tony Altimore's data
33laszlo99 • 04/20/24 08:47 PM ET
You still don't understand
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 10:15 PM ET
You are either grossly overrating those ACC teams or perhaps you have the
33laszlo99 • 04/20/24 11:06 PM ET
Just looking at avg. football atttendance
Old Line Hokie • 04/20/24 02:36 PM ET
The 4 corners was the game changer. Those markets and programs
Big12 guy • 04/20/24 02:29 PM ET
Is what you just posted "clearly better?"
VTCALS72 • 04/20/24 03:26 PM ET
Duke football lacks the eyeballs.**
IB4TECH • 04/21/24 10:14 AM ET
Wake?
GALOISGROUP • 04/21/24 04:08 AM ET
Talking about Wake under Clawson. Just as good on the field
VTCALS72 • 04/21/24 05:24 PM ET
No, definitely not clearly better, but the B12 doesn't have ◄
Big12 guy • 04/20/24 03:32 PM ET
However
VPI 1924 • 04/20/24 03:23 PM ET
That’s funny
CMU Hokie • 04/21/24 05:31 PM ET
And - they have a U.S. House Representative who says the moon is made of
VPI_1998 • 04/20/24 08:01 PM ET
Ya, but they have never been known to fill their football stadium. **
Big12 guy • 04/20/24 03:29 PM ET