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It's not Whit. It's not Sands. It's Virginia Tech.
We are what we are. We struck gold with Frank Beamer. A guy who could do it all without a lot of support because of who he was. He's one of the winningest coaches of all time, in the Hall of Fame, precisely because of how special he is.
Whit Babcock hasn't done anything negative, he's done everything that VT could expect him to do. In the two primary non-football sports, he has hired Buzz Williams, Mike Young, Kenny Brooks and Megan Duffy. The jury may be out on Duffy so far, but the rest all took VT men's and women's hoops to successes we wouldn't previously dream about. Sweet 16? ACC title thrashing UNC and Duke in the semis and final? 5 NCAA tournaments over a 6 year period in men's hoops? (Are you kidding me??) A #1 seed and Final Four in the women's tournament? Check. Check. Check. And Duffy looks like a good one so far.
Ahhh, then there's football. Whit hired Justin Fuente. People seem to forget that Fuente was THE homerun hire outside of Tom Herman that coaching cycle. And Fuente could coach, he really could. He took Beamer's players and immediately had VT in the ACC Title game. 19 wins in 2 years. He just wasn't Beamer. He was an introvert, he wasn't affable, and he didn't realize that the success Beamer had at VT was because of Beamer, not because of VT. And he couldn't go and get the players he needed to keep VT's level of play high.
So when Fuente failed to be Beamer, what did Whit do? He went looking for another Beamer. Makes sense, except for the fact that lightning very rarely strikes twice in the same place. Brent Pry is an attempt to hire the same type of coach who took VT to the mountaintop, nothing less. Unlike Fuente, Pry still has a shot, because he still has the personality of Beamer that is evidently necessary to succeeding at VT.
And Sands.....good grief, what do Hokie fans expect from him? He's done magnificent work leading VT forward as an academic institution. Enrollment way up, VT in the Top 50 overall universities for the first time ever, VTC Medical School, Innovation Campus close to DC, partnership with Amazon, what the heck more do you expect from him?
I get the feeling that VT football fans think Sands sits in his office all day doing nothing but fielding calls from influential VT alums, imploring him to make easy fixes to VT's athletic department that will help the football program:
"Just raise more money Tim, it's so easy!"
"Just simply fire John Ballein, Tim! The wins will come, when the Ballein dynasty falls!"
"Tim, all you need to do is spend an additional $30M every year, it doesn't matter that you don't have it! Everybody is doing it! Look at Maryland! Why can't we be just like Maryland?"
"Tim, the easy fix is to make the P2 invite Virginia Tech! Why haven't you made them invite VT yet, Tim?"
No, Sands just laughs, Purdue and Cal banners flowing behind him, while he snacks on cake and sips wine, never touching his pinky finger to the goblet. He thinks maybe now he will try to lobby the BOV to change VT's burnt orange color to gold, in honor of Cal and Purdue. Maroon and Gold! Yes, that will be his legacy at VT.
You gotta let go of that crap, he's doing a great job leading the university, and he's probably just doing EXACLTY what the BOV wants him to do regarding leading the football program, because he doesn't have time to do anything else, because he's.....doing his job! He's letting Whit make solid - but not elite - hires and keeping VT in the black financially. *GASP!*
Look, since Beamer left, VT Athletics has become EXACTLY what it was prior to Beamer. Solid fanbase with a mediocre football team and some exciting basketball teams from time to time. But all in all...not much to see here. If we were a sleeping giant because of our fanbase prior to Beamer waking us up, well, we're snoozing away again, just waiting on success to find us. But at least the University is in good hands.
** Edited by hokieZ71 at 8/3/2025, 10:12:16 AM
Thread Replies (40)
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-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 01, 2025 at 08:03 AM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/01/25 08:03 AM ET
If VT wanted its next AD to have professional business experience, then it
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 01, 2025 at 10:27 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/01/25 10:27 AM ET
I'm afraid VT will want to keep the status quo.**
-- Atlee Hokie
Aug 05, 2025 at 07:29 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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08/05/25 07:29 PM ET
I think you are probably right. IIWII at this point.**
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 06, 2025 at 12:40 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/06/25 12:40 PM ET
What was the Boeing guy's name? He might be looking for a job. TIC**
-- MP4VT2004
Aug 03, 2025 at 08:00 PM ET
MP4VT2004
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08/03/25 08:00 PM ET
he recently resigned from the VT BOV
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 05, 2025 at 04:49 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/05/25 04:49 PM ET
We don’t have 2 keep doing inbred thing, spreading th gene pools good thing
-- Stech
Aug 02, 2025 at 07:06 PM ET
Stech
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08/02/25 07:06 PM ET
ha, culture of losing and no accountability LOL
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Aug 01, 2025 at 08:06 PM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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08/01/25 08:06 PM ET
its not a non profit, its a business culture second
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 02, 2025 at 11:24 AM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/02/25 11:24 AM ET
I'm not even sure what our athletics culture is anymore
-- HokieAl
Aug 01, 2025 at 11:01 AM ET
HokieAl
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08/01/25 11:01 AM ET
Here's the best way I can think of to break it down-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 01, 2025 at 04:24 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/01/25 04:24 PM ET
Thanks, you once asked me why I respond to you the way I do
-- VTCALS72
Aug 01, 2025 at 11:12 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/01/25 11:12 PM ET
I get it, man. It's definitely worse now that it used to be.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 04, 2025 at 09:50 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/04/25 09:50 AM ET
Very logical and reasonable description. And why I fear for VT athletics
-- HokieAl
Aug 01, 2025 at 04:38 PM ET
HokieAl
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08/01/25 04:38 PM ET
I'm not to sure it's all Babcock!
-- RiverVT
Aug 01, 2025 at 01:12 PM ET
RiverVT
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08/01/25 01:12 PM ET
It's not Whit. It's not Sands. It's Virginia Tech.
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-- hokieZ71
Aug 03, 2025 at 10:05 AM ET
hokieZ71
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08/03/25 10:05 AM ET
I do think you are correct. At least at some level because Babcock may
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 01, 2025 at 01:22 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/01/25 01:22 PM ET
I think that unless the SEC or Big
-- VTCALS72
Aug 02, 2025 at 08:33 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/02/25 08:33 AM ET
As long as VT is a member of the ACC and as long as the ACC is committed to
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 02, 2025 at 12:33 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/02/25 12:33 PM ET
lmao! You stated you want VT to drop football and basketball. You have
-- ancient alien 2018
Aug 02, 2025 at 08:45 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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08/02/25 08:45 PM ET
I think VT is paying the price to ride the ACC train
-- VTCALS72
Aug 02, 2025 at 12:42 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/02/25 12:42 PM ET
Except when you look how the bylaws are currently structured and the power
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 02, 2025 at 12:47 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/02/25 12:47 PM ET
You really think any of that matters? All that really matters is who
-- VTCALS72
Aug 02, 2025 at 04:09 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/02/25 04:09 PM ET
Big media wants to promote and televise us. We were one of their darlings.
-- NokieHokie
Aug 03, 2025 at 02:11 PM ET
NokieHokie
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08/03/25 02:11 PM ET
Yes, I do think it matters because the FBS Playoffs LLC and NCAA meet
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 03, 2025 at 01:52 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/03/25 01:52 PM ET
They are under the influence of big media as well.
-- VTCALS72
Aug 03, 2025 at 03:20 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/03/25 03:20 PM ET
If that is true, then why haven't the proposed changes the P2s want to the
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 04, 2025 at 10:20 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/04/25 10:20 AM ET
Now you are asking for an opinion
-- VTCALS72
Aug 04, 2025 at 01:02 PM ET
VTCALS72
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08/04/25 01:02 PM ET
Yes, I was asking for your opinion based on how the FBS Playoffs LLC is
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 04, 2025 at 03:00 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/04/25 03:00 PM ET
I do think everyone would like to have that as their end goal. I'm just
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 04, 2025 at 04:06 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/04/25 04:06 PM ET
VT is dreaming where you can run it like traction, and operate iin 2025
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 01, 2025 at 05:21 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/01/25 05:21 PM ET
Is it naive for a major institution not annointed by the P2
-- VTCALS72
Aug 02, 2025 at 08:39 AM ET
VTCALS72
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08/02/25 08:39 AM ET
I agree with you. However, VT may be stuck in its "folksy" ways.
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 01, 2025 at 05:31 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/01/25 05:31 PM ET
actually I think its more over governance
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 01, 2025 at 10:49 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/01/25 10:49 PM ET
It is possible the athletics culture and the overall culture are one and
-- VTHokie2000
Aug 01, 2025 at 12:11 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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08/01/25 12:11 PM ET
Thats a big question ??
-- 1947Sunbowl
Aug 01, 2025 at 10:53 AM ET
1947Sunbowl
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08/01/25 10:53 AM ET