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From a numbers standpoint, it’s hard to judge the sweet spot

To me, there are multiple potential options -16, 20, 24, 32. The number turns on what programs are available and how geographically dispersed they may be. The first question is who, if any program, moves up? Maybe none. Maybe UNC, FSU, Miami and others. The second question is what other programs may become available by virtue of being kicked out of the P2 or a successor super league? Maybe privates like Vandy and Northwestern. Maybe some less prominent publics like Mississippi State, Maryland, Rutgers, or Minnesota. The third question becomes what do the academic elites choose? Assuming they are available, do Duke, Vandy, Northwestern and Stanford want to form the core of an academic-centered league that might include the service academies, stray G5s like Rice and Tulane, and maybe publics like UVa and Cal-Berkeley? Or are they willing to compete with less prestigious schools on a regional basis with whom they have been reluctant to associate in the past? After those questions are answered the question becomes what aggregation of remaining, available schools is most marketable? Because there will be few if any schools that are big draws on their own, my belief is that the initial group needs to be the biggest available brands, wherever they may be. Thereafter, one reaches the desired number by factoring in rivalries and attempting to balance numbers regionally (recognizing that the further west one goes, the harder it is to justify regional aggregation because of the distances and lack of strong brands). A final consideration is whether to aggregate based on all sports or football only. Duke, for example, should be excluded from a football only league. But in an all sports league, Duke might have a place in spite of its lack of football following if some combination of Kansas, UNC, Arizona or even Kentucky is in the league. I just think it’s hard to predict the final size of the league (or confederation) without talking through the options and scenarios. So for starters I would look for a core 16 or so that you think will end up in the group, regardless. As for providing a level from which the P2 or their successor can pluck players or coaches, I think that has nothing to do with the need to form a new “best of the rest” conference, who would be in that conference or any related issue.
Posted: 04/10/2025 at 10:41 PM ET
(In response to this post by VTCALS72)

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HoHumHokie 04/06/25 04:26 PM ET
UCONN football comes with it. ACC DOES NOT NEED another horrible
ancient alien 2018 04/08/25 10:52 PM ET
The only schools that should favor ACC or Big 12 expansion
Tailgate Guru 04/07/25 10:32 PM ET
I think your 2nd paragraph is kind of spot on
VTCALS72 04/10/25 05:35 PM ET
From a numbers standpoint, it’s hard to judge the sweet spot
Tailgate Guru 04/10/25 10:41 PM ET
You just said that UCF was a growth stock
Marooned 04/08/25 08:55 PM ET
I did not undercut anything
Tailgate Guru 04/09/25 12:45 PM ET
Same place where VT to the SEC went**
RiverVT 04/07/25 10:29 PM ET
This would signal how the ACC feels about their future
The_VT_Rock 04/07/25 10:28 AM ET
Who doesn't know the ACC is going to lose a few teams?
VTCALS72 04/07/25 05:28 PM ET
The ACC is going to wind up a toilet, filled to the brim with left-behinds.**
Baltimore_Hokie 04/08/25 09:17 AM ET
Agree if you call us left behinds
VTCALS72 04/08/25 11:24 AM ET
VT will not be in the ACC in 5-6 years.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/08/25 11:48 AM ET
That is the heart of where you and I disagree
VTCALS72 04/08/25 04:40 PM ET
VT doesn't have to go to the SEC or Big 10.
Baltimore_Hokie 04/09/25 10:07 AM ET
So you seem to think there is nothing between the current ACC and a league
VTCALS72 04/09/25 12:54 PM ET
You don't know that. The ACC may have stumbled into the
Big12 guy 04/07/25 06:17 PM ET
I think you jut said the same thing I did
VTCALS72 04/07/25 09:08 PM ET
Uneven distributions......
2hhoop3 04/07/25 06:41 PM ET
I agree that we should be looking for the distribution
Big12 guy 04/07/25 06:57 PM ET
Your last sentence is a.....
2hhoop3 04/07/25 07:01 PM ET
A long shot for sure, but something has to give IMO. **
Big12 guy 04/07/25 07:03 PM ET
Your last paragraph is quite good. I'm not expecting full disclosure
saret 04/07/25 06:46 PM ET
I am jaded and cynical.......
2hhoop3 04/07/25 06:49 PM ET
I came by my cynicism after years of people lying to me. How did you come
saret 04/07/25 07:10 PM ET
Same way .......
2hhoop3 04/07/25 07:27 PM ET
That is the prudent way to be. You'll be more often correct than incorrect.**
NokieHokie 04/07/25 06:52 PM ET
I agree it’d indicate where ACC is going, but if they expand 🏀 tournament
Stech 04/07/25 12:42 PM ET
With uneven distributions, the top teams may want to expand. **
Big12 guy 04/07/25 03:15 PM ET
Definitely going to be interesting to watch, I wish they would disclose it.
Stech 04/07/25 05:27 PM ET
Maybe the old school thought of what value a school brings
Big12 guy 04/07/25 05:53 PM ET
UConn to the ACC would be incredibly stupid, and would demonstrate-
Baltimore_Hokie 04/07/25 10:16 AM ET
Reality is that the ACC has already been designated as a little p conferenc
VTCALS72 04/07/25 05:33 PM ET
Dr. J has already told all members to make sure Football feeds first
Sunsetunderground 04/07/25 10:44 AM ET
LOL @ "Dr. J"**
Baltimore_Hokie 04/07/25 12:47 PM ET
How does ESPN feel about UConn to the ACC?
Maroon Baboon 04/07/25 09:46 AM ET
Only way to save the ACC is with more $$, and they have no way to get it.
HokieNoVA 04/07/25 06:13 AM ET
Schools that would instantly make more 💵, aren’t coming, winning gets 💵
Stech 04/07/25 07:57 AM ET
Virginia Tech in the Big East was so much better than as an Independent, I
Stech 04/06/25 11:30 PM ET
The only school that wants to be independent is ND. Even Almighty Texas
Maroon Baboon 04/07/25 09:37 AM ET
Being an indie works, if you could charge $ for the VT Network(for example
MrBayAreaHokie 04/07/25 10:23 AM ET
My point is that joining a better conference helps schools 2 recruit better
Stech 04/07/25 10:22 AM ET
so many have no clue the life as an independent
1947Sunbowl 04/07/25 08:27 AM ET
Also improved our recruiting when we joined th ACC, we beat Florida 4 Tyrod
Stech 04/07/25 09:10 AM ET
The vast majority did not want Yukon in the ACC. It was just rumors.
wwhokie1 04/06/25 11:10 PM ET
If UCONN comes in then a football school needs to follow
MrFantastic! 04/07/25 06:49 AM ET
Drop BC/Wake, then add Uconn/WVU. Works for me.**
HokieNoVA 04/07/25 01:22 PM ET
UConn would be a great addition to the ACC
Flanker 04/06/25 08:40 PM ET
It will be a sad day, if the ACC declines to the point that UConn is a
wwhokie1 04/07/25 06:19 PM ET
UConn is definitely one of the better options for expansion.
Flanker 04/08/25 06:12 AM ET
And there in lies the problem of trying to hold on to something that
Big12 guy 04/06/25 09:01 PM ET
that assumes that the real power leaves all of the ACC, B12 and PAC alone.
VTCALS72 04/07/25 09:51 AM ET
I'm thinking that the P2/Networks will want more than 3-4 schools
Maroon Baboon 04/07/25 03:01 PM ET
Unless any of those schools move the needle where existing
Big12 guy 04/08/25 12:03 PM ET
Sounds like you are saying no BigXII school will ever go to P2.
Maroon Baboon 04/08/25 03:03 PM ET
Kinda. The B12 was already picked over by the P2. From
Big12 guy 04/08/25 03:32 PM ET
I hear you but my opinion remains that the P2 may be larger right now
VTCALS72 04/07/25 03:28 PM ET
Why? Because they can.
Maroon Baboon 04/07/25 04:01 PM ET
wrong. uconn football is a joke and would mean a smaller TV $$ share for
ancient alien 2018 04/06/25 08:50 PM ET
The Men won the last two championships. Now here come the women.
HOO86 04/06/25 07:02 PM ET
Unfortunately expansion is based on who Notre Dame wants, Jim Dame Phillips
Stech 04/07/25 09:19 AM ET
No clue who ND would want.
HOO86 04/07/25 04:29 PM ET
At this point.....
TerryD 04/07/25 06:32 PM ET
Yes I would think ND approves of UCONN & maybe even USF, but I doubt FSU &
Stech 04/07/25 05:31 PM ET
Part of me thinks look to the West
HOO86 04/07/25 06:15 PM ET
Would think to lessen travel for Cal & Stanford, San Diego State & Colo St
Stech 04/07/25 08:10 PM ET
I like those choices also.
HOO86 04/07/25 08:28 PM ET
Sounds great until one of your four conference road football games is in
Maroon Baboon 04/06/25 04:37 PM ET
The Big 12 was also making overtures to Gonzaga
Marooned 04/06/25 10:03 PM ET
UConn has 3 ACC teams on their schedule this year. **
Big12 guy 04/06/25 10:19 PM ET
That is one that could agree to reduced media share like Stanford and Cal
HOO86 04/06/25 06:58 PM ET
Don't need another mouth to feed in football. **
EDGEMAN 04/06/25 04:31 PM ET
exactly, espeically with the new allotment of rights to the premium brands**
1947Sunbowl 04/06/25 07:19 PM ET