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CobbCountyHokie
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One key point to all of this that must be noted

The B1G wanted USC and UCLA to win the LA market for Fox's company-owned station in that market. It is very important to note that Fox owns their station, channel 5, in Washington and Comcast/NBCU owns their station, channel 4. The local market now matters most when you have a big market like DC and network-owned stations in that market. I have always believed that Penn State delivers more eyeballs in DC than Maryland. In fact, nobody south of the Potomac currently cares about the B1G at all unless they are looking in on a national game. Maryland and PSU deliver nothing at all in the Virginia suburbs. This is where Tech and UVa strategically come in. They solidify the DMV market for both local network stations (Fox and NBC) in a top-10 national market. Say what you want about Charlotte and Raleigh but aside from DMV, the big markets with key local demos exist only in Atlanta, and Miami/Tampa/Orlando. Georgia Tech adds nothing from the Atlanta market. I lived there for 19 years and nobody outside of their small alumni base and their students on North Avenue give a rip about GT athletics. So, Atlanta is SEC. Period, even with a Fox-owned station in ATL. The FL markets are interesting as Miami/Ft Lauderdale is still a top market and layered in with Orlando and Tampa Bay, making up one of the fastest growing concentration of households in the US. This is why I have always been convinced that the B1G wants FSU. The DC market is the big prize for the P2 at the end of the day. Someone will have to decide to add Tech and Uva as politics in Richmond will require them to be a package deal or as one to the B1G the other to the SEC. I still see uva going to the B1G and Tech going to the SEC eventually. We will see if this all plays out.
Posted: 05/31/2024 at 09:00 AM ET
(In response to this post by VTCALS72)

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It's happening - the ACC summer of crazy
INSIDE99 • 05/30/24 03:25 PM ET
Connecting dots in North Carolina
INSIDE99 • 06/04/24 01:49 PM ET
Wow, that last line is a doozy!!!
Stech • 06/04/24 01:58 PM ET
Did you look......
2hhoop3 • 06/04/24 11:51 PM ET
Could be the case, but he seems to be implying a whole lot more, did you
Stech • 06/05/24 07:25 AM ET
rotflmao!!!! **
ancient alien 2018 • 05/31/24 06:19 PM ET
You lost me at ‘’It's in everyone's best interest to settle this”**
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/31/24 12:09 AM ET
It's his/her way of saying "I don't know squat but I have people swallowing
ancient alien 2018 • 05/31/24 06:21 PM ET
Yep, if the SEC is essentially lusting for UNC and UVA
VTCALS72 • 05/31/24 08:16 AM ET
He lost me at "Lambert". Total fraud.
Maroon Baboon • 05/31/24 01:17 AM ET
Agreed
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 01:34 AM ET
IF this plays out as you have speculated, here is potential impact
HokieAl • 05/30/24 10:46 PM ET
Two problems I notice. First, if the rights are only worth 70 how are they
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 11:04 PM ET
I think how the ACC would collect is the great unknown.
VTCALS72 • 05/31/24 08:39 AM ET
Some responses
HokieAl • 05/30/24 11:19 PM ET
I think you are overly optimistic. I am not convinced the scenario with
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 11:48 PM ET
That last paragraph is the real key
HokieAl • 05/31/24 12:55 PM ET
Always a good discussion. And regarding what is in the contract, lawyers
wwhokie1 • 05/31/24 01:33 PM ET
Your scenario hinges.......
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 11:34 PM ET
The $64,000 question in your post on who actually owns the rights,
Big12 guy • 05/31/24 09:07 AM ET
Sure, there are layers of assumptions in this
HokieAl • 05/30/24 11:47 PM ET
Courts are involved. There are contracts
SpeakToDamien • 05/30/24 10:45 PM ET
You don't believe settlements override a courtroom?
INSIDE99 • 05/30/24 11:50 PM ET
Of course. But the ACC has zero motivation to settle
SpeakToDamien • 05/31/24 12:24 AM ET
Only one school has a full unredacted copy of the ESPN contract
INSIDE99 • 06/01/24 01:03 PM ET
but anyone in the conference who wanted to read it could go to Charlotte
VTCALS72 • 06/01/24 03:56 PM ET
Not the same
INSIDE99 • 06/01/24 05:15 PM ET
Except Clemson is not a party to the contract so that discussion
VTCALS72 • 06/01/24 07:00 PM ET
ACC is focused on long term survival first, they do that by ESPN extending
Stech • 05/31/24 11:21 AM ET
I don't know how much say ESPN has in all of this, but...
BUGGZY • 05/30/24 10:00 PM ET
Absolutely, 100% spot on!! ( Thanks Mr. Siegel)!!!**
ancient alien 2018 • 05/31/24 06:34 PM ET
Been Hearing the Next Month is Going to Be Wild a Lot
WarHog38 • 05/30/24 07:53 PM ET
It has been more than 50 years.......
2hhoop3 • 05/31/24 12:17 PM ET
A Lot of That 1St Fiddle Playing was due to Bear Bryant & Nick Saban
WarHog38 • 05/31/24 09:59 PM ET
I do not disagree with......
2hhoop3 • 05/31/24 10:48 PM ET
Here is an opinion
VTCALS72 • 05/30/24 08:58 PM ET
One key point to all of this that must be noted ◄
CobbCountyHokie • 05/31/24 09:00 AM ET
The FOX angle is why
Victor Tango • 05/31/24 10:13 AM ET
I agree completely and, I read that Virginia makes up 48%
VTCALS72 • 05/31/24 09:13 AM ET
That's why I think VT would be more desirable to the Big Ten than the SEC
hokieZ71 • 05/31/24 06:20 AM ET
The #1 issue with Vt to the B10 is Maryland
VTCALS72 • 05/31/24 08:00 AM ET
UMD is just not a football school. There is absolutely zero game
Sportn • 05/31/24 09:24 PM ET
Maybe to the UMD AD but not to their fan base
Vippie1 • 05/31/24 10:13 AM ET
Big to MD, "we lifted you out and gave you the DMV.
VTCALS72 • 06/01/24 01:12 PM ET
Maryland loves it when VT comes to College Park and fills 70% of the seats
VPIGUY • 05/31/24 04:43 PM ET
You forgot the Bruins, but your point stands, it’s a Pro Sports town, Fox
Stech • 05/30/24 10:06 PM ET
But ESPN HAS to allow that to happen.
hokieZ71 • 05/31/24 07:50 AM ET
Would do it because they already own Florida & South Carolina, new states
Stech • 05/31/24 08:22 AM ET
I agree with this with both the Big 10, and the SEC. I have expressed
Big12 guy • 05/30/24 09:26 PM ET
Big 10 national brand is an oxymoron in that context
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 12:24 AM ET
I'll expand on this looking backwards...
BUGGZY • 05/30/24 09:39 PM ET
Texas Was the Big 12 and Before That Was the SWC
WarHog38 • 05/30/24 11:02 PM ET
I think the bigger conferences........
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 10:30 PM ET
not sure that works...
BUGGZY • 05/30/24 10:36 PM ET
Might not work.......
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 10:45 PM ET
Yep, Texass is a cancer that will cause a lot of issues.
RJHokie • 05/30/24 09:43 PM ET
Name a conference they haven't destroyed. **
Big12 guy • 05/30/24 09:46 PM ET
None…..**
RJHokie • 05/30/24 09:47 PM ET
Nope.**
33laszlo99 • 05/30/24 06:37 PM ET
Would ESPN give up UNC and UVA to the Big to get FSU and Clemson?**
VTCALS72 • 05/30/24 06:25 PM ET
I would, but I would prefer to keep them all since I already have them.**
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 10:13 PM ET
i Think This is a Good Question
WarHog38 • 05/30/24 09:42 PM ET
Sankey said recently he wants to improve basketball in the SEC, the past is
Stech • 05/30/24 10:19 PM ET
fsu "leaving with or w/o settlement"...which conference buys them w/o GOR?
VT757to276 • 05/30/24 04:13 PM ET
No one is joining another conference without their media rights
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 12:34 AM ET
Excellent stuff. A couple of questions. 1. What happens to ND?
TDVick • 05/30/24 04:02 PM ET
UNC does not want VT as a competitor
VTCALS72 • 05/30/24 05:57 PM ET
I generally agree, but how much does UNC want UVA to go with them? One
TDVick • 05/31/24 07:56 AM ET
And I still disagree that 2011 was anywhere near like the possibility
VTCALS72 • 05/31/24 08:11 AM ET
I think he’s saying UVA and VT to SEC, with UNC and NCSU, you get 2 🏈/🏀
Stech • 05/30/24 04:45 PM ET
Tech and State aren't chicken feed in BB either
obguthr • 05/31/24 09:41 AM ET
For a conference that has tried to avoid adding schools in states
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 05:51 PM ET
The state of South Carolina is about 1/2 the size of Va & NC, also by doing
Stech • 05/30/24 07:31 PM ET
Its not about the size of the state but the size of the TV viewing audience
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 10:34 PM ET
It’s about growth/new viewers, in both basketball and football, FSU & Clem-
Stech • 05/30/24 10:51 PM ET
4 schools in 2 states might bring in more growth, but if it does it comes
wwhokie1 • 05/30/24 11:31 PM ET
“If” 4 go from two states, I expect a ramp up on payment, but they’re ACC $
Stech • 05/31/24 12:05 AM ET
I am not saying it is.........
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 05:58 PM ET
How else should someone interpret.......
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 03:48 PM ET
No change
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 01:01 AM ET
Not true.....
2hhoop3 • 05/31/24 10:05 AM ET
Did he piss you off ??
DrHokie • 05/30/24 10:20 PM ET
Read my previous response.......
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 10:32 PM ET
I confused, are you saying FSU and Clemson to the B1G and ND to follow? Or
Stech • 05/30/24 03:47 PM ET
Interesting is not the word I’d use.
Marooned • 05/30/24 03:42 PM ET
Man, that was a post and a half.
goldendomer • 05/30/24 03:41 PM ET
Yes, but very informative if true, and some like TerryD may refute it, but
Stech • 05/30/24 03:52 PM ET
I think that if the ACC implodes....
TerryD • 05/30/24 09:16 PM ET
The Irish
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 01:18 AM ET
That’s certainly a possibility, thanks for letting us know what you think.**
Stech • 05/30/24 09:53 PM ET
I think it was informative........
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 05:38 PM ET
I fully understand your caution, time will tell, but it is plausible IMHO.**
Stech • 05/30/24 07:27 PM ET
I was not really trying........
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 08:22 PM ET
I am pretty sure there is no horse trading among the conferences and the
33laszlo99 • 05/30/24 09:39 PM ET
There is a mega amount of horse trading among the networks
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 01:37 AM ET
With one exception everything you list here as horse trading is simple
33laszlo99 • 05/31/24 07:23 AM ET
ESPN is getting something out of FSU/Clemson leaving, period.
INSIDE99 • 05/31/24 11:33 PM ET
If ESPN is in control as much as you suggest; they'll simply
daveinop • 06/01/24 11:39 AM ET
You might want to reconsider.......
2hhoop3 • 05/30/24 10:04 PM ET