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I did see that article and I immediately thought of our discussion.
The MAC is in a bit of a pickle because there aren't really any options to expand into KY, PA, NJ, MD, and back into IL. Yes, I know there are DI-FCS and even DII schools in those states. However, those schools are either not in the position to make the move to DI-FBS for football or have any desire to make the move for various reasons. Plus, an argument could be made that Buffalo and UMass should be in the AAC or even C-USA instead of the MAC because they are geographic outliers to the MAC footprint. When Western Kentucky (WKU) announced it was switching to DI-FBS, I was hoping that Buffalo would have joined the AAC so the MAC could fill that spot with WKU. If that had happened then the 6 OH schools (which is probably too much) could have been placed in a division with the 3 MI schools, Ball State, No. Illinois, and WKU in the other division.
As far as the Sun Belt losing its footprint of being a strictly southern conference, that may have already happened when Marshall joined the conference. At least I don't think there is a consensus among people that WV is considered to be a "southern state." Plus, if you consider the Sun Belt region to be a "southern region," then some maps have the northern part of the region stopping in the southern part of AR, NC, and TN. Which would mean that Arkansas State, Appalachian State, Middle Tennessee State (when it was a member), Western Kentucky (when it was a member), JMU, ODU, and Marshall are technically outside the Sun Belt region.
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Stech, there are rumors that Ohio has
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 08:51 AM ET
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07/10/25 08:51 AM ET
I am more against Coast to Coast Conferences, where three hour time zones
-- Stech
Jul 12, 2025 at 12:25 AM ET
Stech
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07/12/25 12:25 AM ET
I think that business model failed with the collapse of the SWC. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 08:24 AM ET
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07/12/25 08:24 AM ET
SEC kicking butt with 1 hour time difference between all schools.**
-- Stech
Jul 12, 2025 at 12:08 PM ET
Stech
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07/12/25 12:08 PM ET
The exception for now? Nothing
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 02:06 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/12/25 02:06 PM ET
Plenty of conferences are staying regional, that's not the point. the point
-- Stech
Jul 12, 2025 at 06:14 PM ET
Stech
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07/12/25 06:14 PM ET
I don't think anyone would disagree with you
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 06:47 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/12/25 06:47 PM ET
Sorry I misread your post. I would be okay with Ohio vs Louisiana Tech as
-- Stech
Jul 12, 2025 at 06:55 PM ET
Stech
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07/12/25 06:55 PM ET
Ohio has recently come out and denied that they reached out
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 07:05 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/12/25 07:05 PM ET
I think East Carolina would have been a good addition, but they may make
-- Stech
Jul 13, 2025 at 08:10 AM ET
Stech
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07/13/25 08:10 AM ET
Did it though? A reason the SWC failed is it was only 2 states (TX & AR).
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 12, 2025 at 08:32 AM ET
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07/12/25 08:32 AM ET
The media dollars involved changed everything. All former
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 08:56 AM ET
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07/12/25 08:56 AM ET
I believe UCF was a football-only member for a short period of time as
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 12, 2025 at 09:00 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/12/25 09:00 AM ET
A sign of the times I'm afraid. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 09:19 AM ET
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07/12/25 09:19 AM ET
Actually UMass did it as a result in the change of the bylaws. In the
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 12, 2025 at 09:29 AM ET
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07/12/25 09:29 AM ET
It's another reason that the idea
-- Big12 guy
Jul 12, 2025 at 10:36 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/12/25 10:36 AM ET
The schools probably created more problems for itself when it decided to
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 12, 2025 at 11:54 AM ET
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07/12/25 11:54 AM ET
Athens, Ohio is in southeastern Ohio's Appalachian region. IMO, Ohio ...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jul 10, 2025 at 07:39 PM ET
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07/10/25 07:39 PM ET
I always wanted Marshall, App State, and while
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 07:59 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/10/25 07:59 PM ET
MAC/Sun Belt merger of some sort would be some entertaining stuff.**
-- reestuart
Jul 10, 2025 at 02:15 PM ET
reestuart
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07/10/25 02:15 PM ET
Would be entertaining, but can't see why the Sunbelt would do it.**
-- wwhokie1
Jul 10, 2025 at 06:52 PM ET
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07/10/25 06:52 PM ET
If ESPN is telling them if you want a $3M+ per team media contract,
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 07:13 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/10/25 07:13 PM ET
Your last sentence is the issue. Low value in the Mac.
-- wwhokie1
Jul 11, 2025 at 01:11 AM ET
wwhokie1
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07/11/25 01:11 AM ET
I did see that article and I immediately thought of our discussion.
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-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:21 AM ET
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07/10/25 09:21 AM ET
Surprised Buffalo never made more of a commitment
-- I85Hokie
Jul 10, 2025 at 02:20 PM ET
I85Hokie
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07/10/25 02:20 PM ET
Maybe they couldn't because their hands were tied for various reasons. I
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 03:28 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 03:28 PM ET
There really is no SUNY flagship
-- Tailgate Guru
Jul 10, 2025 at 06:36 PM ET
Tailgate Guru
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07/10/25 06:36 PM ET
I guess someone forgot to tell that to Gov. Kathy Hochul because in 2022
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:11 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 09:11 PM ET
I guess you can call them anything you want
-- Tailgate Guru
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:31 PM ET
Tailgate Guru
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07/10/25 09:31 PM ET
The UC system is very similar to New York’s in that regard
-- I85Hokie
Jul 11, 2025 at 07:52 AM ET
I85Hokie
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07/11/25 07:52 AM ET
That may be true about people in Rochester, but it is a moot point for this
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:50 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 09:50 PM ET
And here are the enrollments of all the universities in NY State**
-- RJHokie
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:20 PM ET
RJHokie
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07/10/25 09:20 PM ET
I think a feature of a "flagship school" in a university system is it is
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:28 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 09:28 PM ET
SUNY is managed from Albany
-- Tailgate Guru
Jul 10, 2025 at 09:50 PM ET
Tailgate Guru
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07/10/25 09:50 PM ET
The MAC expanding and increasing their value will not
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:08 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/10/25 10:08 AM ET
I agree the MAC's future looks bleak right now given how things are playing
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:26 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 10:26 AM ET
The G6 probably needs to be reduced to the G3, but there
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:29 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/10/25 10:29 AM ET
One thing that often isn't mentioned in any of these discussions is the
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:33 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/10/25 10:33 AM ET
A tough sell for basketball. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:34 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/10/25 10:34 AM ET
Maybe. The main reason the DI schools did it for football is because it
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 10, 2025 at 10:42 AM ET
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07/10/25 10:42 AM ET