The # of ICE OEM's will drop by 50%. China wisely pivoted to EV, dominate
global export market already on a trajectory to crush legacy auto manufacturers.
Tesla's model Y is the #1 selling car in the world, so its silly to say buyers don't want EVs. Buyers don't want the junk that legacy ICE OEM's are selling, but they clearly want Tesla/BYD.
The US is a big time tech laggard when it comes to EV adoption and build out of charging infrastructure. The Big 3 are leveraging protectionalist US Gov policy to defend their domestic market, but they continue to lose share globally. The domestic US market can't support 3 companies of this size selling just to domestic US buyers, so they are going to merge and/or all get smaller.
Germany's auto manufacturers are also in crisis, they enjoyed solid exports to China for years, but that is gone and they will struggle to compete with Chinese EVs in their home markets. Chinese companies are setting up factories in Turkey/EU to get past barriers to keep Chinese exports out. They'll do the same in Mexico, BTW. VW is reducing manufacturing already, shutting factories. Munich's auto industry will shrink considerably.
Japan has been screwing around with Hybrids, which worked well for some time, but Hybrid is temporary and they are far behind China and Tesla on full EV. Honda/Mitsubishi/Nissan are merging into one company already to try to cut costs. Toyota will probably shrink as China eats their lunch moving forward.
Check out the price points for full EV's rolling out of China these days. Once Battery supply chain is scaled, the cost and labor to build an EV is massively reduced compared to ICE/Hybrid, there are so many fewer parts. EVs also last much longer than ICE cars. China are going to do to legacy OEM's what Japan did to US OEM's in the 70s/80s. They are higher quality cars with really impressive tech at a much, much lower price point.
Warren Buffet has been buying BYD stock for years, I'm nervous about buying stock in any Chinese company. So I think the safe investment is to short the top US/German/Japanese ICE companies.
Thread Replies (39)
Car industry feels like it is about to tank
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 07:10 AM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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12/31/24 07:10 AM ET
Car industry is awful. What I don't get is dealerships....
-- ModerateHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:16 AM ET
ModerateHokie
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12/31/24 10:16 AM ET
The # of ICE OEM's will drop by 50%. China wisely pivoted to EV, dominate
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-- Fatman
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:03 AM ET
Fatman
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12/31/24 10:03 AM ET
I saw a Chinese version of something like a Rivian on youtube
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:41 AM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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12/31/24 10:41 AM ET
I've done business in China for over 20 years. If you're judging a Chinese
-- MCL3 Hokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:33 AM ET
MCL3 Hokie
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12/31/24 10:33 AM ET
The China economy has problems of their own- the 50 year plan?
-- turkeywinghokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 04:55 PM ET
turkeywinghokie
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12/31/24 04:55 PM ET
They drove my old employer out of China, by subsidizing state competition
-- WestyHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 02:03 PM ET
WestyHokie
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12/31/24 02:03 PM ET
Agree 100%. Outcome will still be the same.
-- Fatman
Dec 31, 2024 at 11:27 AM ET
Fatman
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12/31/24 11:27 AM ET
Lol. Governments have always been lousy venture capitalists. **
-- RoswellGAHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:32 AM ET
RoswellGAHokie
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12/31/24 10:32 AM ET
Simple question: what type of energy does the US have in abundance?
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:07 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 10:07 AM ET
Disagree. US invented the very solar tech that China produces
-- Fatman
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:31 AM ET
Fatman
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12/31/24 10:31 AM ET
There is little to no natural demand for solar panels or EVs without
-- RoswellGAHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:50 AM ET
RoswellGAHokie
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12/31/24 10:50 AM ET
That’s not a true statement. Not at all.
-- Fatman
Dec 31, 2024 at 11:31 AM ET
Fatman
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12/31/24 11:31 AM ET
Please enlighten us on the percentage of solar panels made in America?
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:49 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 10:49 AM ET
China is producing the solar panels invented in the US bc we choose not to
-- Fatman
Dec 31, 2024 at 11:46 AM ET
Fatman
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12/31/24 11:46 AM ET
Mandated labor cost. No judgement. Just fact.**
-- RTFC
Dec 31, 2024 at 12:47 PM ET
RTFC
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12/31/24 12:47 PM ET
They've priced a large % of the middle class out of the new car market
-- HokieNoVA
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:52 AM ET
HokieNoVA
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12/31/24 09:52 AM ET
I was at Tysons Galleria the other day and a 2 door Bently was on display
-- TheNuke
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:36 AM ET
TheNuke
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12/31/24 09:36 AM ET
That's a price only a politician can afford...lol**
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:40 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 09:40 AM ET
I'll be buying a car this year. Daughter is getting her license next month
-- HokieGator
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:25 AM ET
HokieGator
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12/31/24 09:25 AM ET
Truck prices are insane, mine had
-- HortHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 11:06 AM ET
HortHokie
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12/31/24 11:06 AM ET
Ugh. I know. There was a used RAM I found in 2020 ( I think) that was
-- HokieGator
Dec 31, 2024 at 11:23 AM ET
HokieGator
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12/31/24 11:23 AM ET
The free money reckoning is already here. **
-- RoswellGAHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:17 AM ET
RoswellGAHokie
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12/31/24 09:17 AM ET
People are keeping cars longer and buying used
-- HokieJamie
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:00 AM ET
HokieJamie
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12/31/24 09:00 AM ET
What’s the play? STLA has a PE of 2.87. GM has a PE of 5.73. Are you still
-- dolph
Dec 31, 2024 at 08:39 AM ET
dolph
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12/31/24 08:39 AM ET
Those PEs might be listed as “NA” soon 🤣🤪😂
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:18 AM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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12/31/24 09:18 AM ET
They need money to fund their switchover to EVs...
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 07:13 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 07:13 AM ET
Tesla dealer near me has no more room for inventory. I was driving by
-- Tuckahokie
Dec 31, 2024 at 08:50 AM ET
Tuckahokie
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12/31/24 08:50 AM ET
Tesla is a special case
-- Hokie Chris
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:59 AM ET
Hokie Chris
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12/31/24 10:59 AM ET
There have also been 7-8 Tesla trucks parked in a lot on Mayland Dr. for...
-- MP4VT2004
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:03 AM ET
MP4VT2004
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12/31/24 09:03 AM ET
People who bought the truck also bought Laser Discs in the 1980s.
-- Spud
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:39 AM ET
Spud
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12/31/24 09:39 AM ET
Agreed, it really feels like manufacturers are subsidizing EV production...
-- MP4VT2004
Dec 31, 2024 at 08:39 AM ET
MP4VT2004
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12/31/24 08:39 AM ET
I remember the prices Jeep was charging for their new pickup (Gladiator)
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:39 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 09:39 AM ET
Calling that thing a pickup is being awfully generous.**
-- HokieNoVA
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:56 AM ET
HokieNoVA
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12/31/24 09:56 AM ET
think about a new grad- an average new car may = salary **
-- bigbadbird
Dec 31, 2024 at 08:59 AM ET
bigbadbird
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12/31/24 08:59 AM ET
Yep. Tack on massive college debt and a mortgage for an overpriced home...
-- MP4VT2004
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:05 AM ET
MP4VT2004
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12/31/24 09:05 AM ET
one of mine asked if they could have a new car when they graduate- yeah
-- bigbadbird
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:39 AM ET
bigbadbird
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12/31/24 09:39 AM ET
Make sure they know they have to insure it too.
-- EDGEMAN
Dec 31, 2024 at 09:44 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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12/31/24 09:44 AM ET
i have tried to explain it- that an older car is much easier
-- bigbadbird
Dec 31, 2024 at 10:29 AM ET
bigbadbird
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12/31/24 10:29 AM ET