In my opinion yes
My thoughts around a system coach were not solely meant for VT Basketball
In order to succeed at a school like VT you have to have a system that makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts. That's football, basketball, soccer whatever.
To a certain degree, you could argue that's exactly what made VT football good to begin with...
Special teams - Beamer made great strides and evened the playing field utilizing special teams as a weapon rather than a transition. Now everyone does it.
Defense - Bud Foster's scheme was something that allowed undersized Defensive Ends to become the most feared sack leaders in the country.
Then they made a good evaluation in chasing Michael Vick rather than Ronald Curry and it all came together.
That's it. That's the blueprint.
But it is incredibly difficult and can take years/decades to catch that Michael Vick type of evaluation.
If VT were recruiting against FSU and Miami for Michael Vick, then it might have been a different story. But it was Syracuse and East Carolina. Recruiting has changed and made prospects like Vick slipping through the cracks nationally more difficult, so the road is even tougher.
But none of the recruiting wins will matter if you can't elevate everyone else around them. There has to be a system in place that allows you to be solid when your talent is average so when your talent becomes above average to solid you are ready to take a leap.
I'm not into football schemes and coaching philosophy like I am basketball. But I recognize market efficiency when I see it, and Beamer capitalized on that in a multitude of ways that Fuente and Pry have not.
None of this changes my larger point that the athletic program can gain both notoriety and revenue with simple modest shifts in resources rather than moving the chips to football without evidence it will be useful there
** Edited by GCHokie34 at 9/24/2024, 11:11:17 AM
** Edited by GCHokie34 at 9/24/2024, 11:12:47 AM
Thread Replies (71)
I vote to divert our NIL money to BB. The FB experiment is over.**
-- VT ChemE 1986
Sep 22, 2024 at 03:09 PM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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09/22/24 03:09 PM ET
Announce that at the sold out football game 🙈$$$$$**
-- jagerhokie
Sep 25, 2024 at 04:43 PM ET
jagerhokie
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09/25/24 04:43 PM ET
MBB, WBB, Softball, Wrestling. **
-- 40ozDistrict
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:10 PM ET
40ozDistrict
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09/24/24 09:10 PM ET
And if the AD tried to shift that money to other than football, ...
-- Atlee Hokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:56 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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09/24/24 03:56 PM ET
My ultimate thought about TV money and conference alignment...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:15 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 03:15 PM ET
That's basically what the Supreme Court case in the early 80s was about.
-- Chris Coleman
Oct 03, 2024 at 07:40 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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10/03/24 07:40 AM ET
Can't see VT having much negotiating room at the present with FB or BB.**
-- atlhokie1
Sep 25, 2024 at 08:54 PM ET
atlhokie1
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09/25/24 08:54 PM ET
Honestly it would be pretty similar to what they currently have
-- GCHokie34
Sep 25, 2024 at 09:19 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/25/24 09:19 PM ET
Didn't Texas already do that with the Longhorn Network?**
-- hoosnowahokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:26 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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09/24/24 03:26 PM ET
Sort of! But yeah, along those lines**
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:29 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 03:29 PM ET
Sorry to maybe hijack the thread but have a few thoughts as to uva/vt
-- wahoo2023
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:36 PM ET
wahoo2023
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09/24/24 12:36 PM ET
Yes, I think VT ultimately cuts some sports. Very interested to see how
-- hoosnowahokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:31 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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09/24/24 03:31 PM ET
The irony is it is the “wine and cheese” crowd
-- wahoo2023
Sep 25, 2024 at 09:29 AM ET
wahoo2023
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09/25/24 09:29 AM ET
I think UVA is closer to right than VT at this stage
-- VT ChemE 1986
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:51 PM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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09/24/24 02:51 PM ET
UVA is cutting some fat, its T/F is cutting 13 positions because of NIL
-- HokieRat
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:28 PM ET
HokieRat
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09/24/24 02:28 PM ET
Did you ever read the book "good to great"? Food for thought. **
-- ColoVT82
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:38 PM ET
ColoVT82
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09/24/24 02:38 PM ET
I do feel like privately, WB would tell you he's trying to find a glide
-- WildTurkE
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
WildTurkE
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09/24/24 12:59 PM ET
While football is disappointing, the numbers say we need to stick with it
-- HokieAl
Sep 23, 2024 at 08:53 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/23/24 08:53 PM ET
Football has been horrible...for a while
-- GCHokie34
Sep 23, 2024 at 09:19 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/23/24 09:19 PM ET
That's the point. Bad football is bringing in $68m in revenue.
-- HokieAl
Sep 23, 2024 at 09:41 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/23/24 09:41 PM ET
If you're of the opinion that there's a football product VT can reach...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 23, 2024 at 09:54 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/23/24 09:54 PM ET
How are you making that jump from my post? I never said top 20 in revenue
-- HokieAl
Sep 23, 2024 at 10:08 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/23/24 10:08 PM ET
I say that because here's the thing...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 23, 2024 at 10:41 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/23/24 10:41 PM ET
I do not believe your first line.
-- Atlee Hokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:23 AM ET
Atlee Hokie
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09/24/24 09:23 AM ET
The argument is you can't play "good competitive football" on a y2y basis
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:28 AM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 09:28 AM ET
What are the issues other schools don't have to contend with?
-- hokeyhokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:01 AM ET
hokeyhokie
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09/24/24 09:01 AM ET
Geography, population, demographic...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:11 AM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 09:11 AM ET
Wasn't VTs athletic dept financiallly competitive with other major schools
-- hokeyhokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 01:21 PM ET
hokeyhokie
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09/24/24 01:21 PM ET
To answer the other part of your point...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:56 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 02:56 PM ET
You know all those commercials we've seen in the past year
-- hoosnowahokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:33 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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09/24/24 03:33 PM ET
Every conference has its own Twitter, IG etc.
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 05:14 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 05:14 PM ET
Recruiting was regional then...
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:48 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 02:48 PM ET
WADR, this argument is a broken record..
-- VPI63
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
VPI63
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09/24/24 12:59 PM ET
Anyone know how Frank Beamer addressed TikTok with his players?**
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 02:41 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 02:41 PM ET
Nebraska athletics exceeded $200M in FY23
-- huskerHokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 11:39 AM ET
huskerHokie
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09/24/24 11:39 AM ET
Virginia Tech has "limitations" in its athletic budget**
-- huskerHokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 11:47 AM ET
huskerHokie
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09/24/24 11:47 AM ET
Graduates stay in Nebraska? Funny!
-- huskerHokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 11:51 AM ET
huskerHokie
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09/24/24 11:51 AM ET
How many graduates have the ability to stay in Blacksburg even if they want**
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 11:58 AM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 11:58 AM ET
There are opportunities, people just don't want to live in a place
-- hoosnowahokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 03:25 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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09/24/24 03:25 PM ET
How many Nebraska graduates have to opportunity to stay in Nebraska?**
-- huskerHokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:04 PM ET
huskerHokie
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09/24/24 12:04 PM ET
About 7 times as many as VT...**
-- GCHokie34
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:06 PM ET
GCHokie34
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09/24/24 12:06 PM ET
Where are you getting your data from? UVA and Indiana are not top 15 in rev
-- HokieAl
Sep 23, 2024 at 11:21 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/23/24 11:21 PM ET
Your point is true, especially what sport department is gonna raise profile
-- HokieRat
Sep 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM ET
HokieRat
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09/24/24 10:39 AM ET
Their database is wrong. It has 2021 data copied in 2022 for all schools
-- HokieAl
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:15 AM ET
HokieAl
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09/24/24 09:15 AM ET
True, the actual numbers are inside...
-- Chris Coleman
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:30 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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09/24/24 09:30 AM ET
I love your analogy. So are we actually hurting our competitiveness by
-- Femoyer Hokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 10:03 AM ET
Femoyer Hokie
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09/24/24 10:03 AM ET
I think this is where the discussion diverges. It's a matter of perspective
-- HokieAl
Sep 24, 2024 at 11:57 AM ET
HokieAl
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09/24/24 11:57 AM ET
This is the crux of the debate. Well put. **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Sep 26, 2024 at 06:41 AM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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09/26/24 06:41 AM ET
That's more of a one-time thing for UVA.
-- Chris Coleman
Sep 24, 2024 at 08:59 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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09/24/24 08:59 AM ET
Yeah, definitely agree there.
-- Chris Coleman
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:26 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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09/24/24 09:26 AM ET
Fundraising at VT is very complicated for sure. Sometimes I think very
-- VTDC
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:47 AM ET
VTDC
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09/24/24 09:47 AM ET
The way the HC has been run for DECADES is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.**
-- NokieHokie
Sep 24, 2024 at 09:35 AM ET
NokieHokie
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09/24/24 09:35 AM ET
Here's the thing, both of you are actually arguing the same thing...
-- Gobbler-100
Sep 24, 2024 at 12:44 AM ET
Gobbler-100
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09/24/24 12:44 AM ET
I fear GC is right on this one
-- SC_Hokie
Sep 23, 2024 at 11:41 PM ET
SC_Hokie
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09/23/24 11:41 PM ET
Duke has a better chance of being invited to the SEC
-- WildTurkE
Sep 23, 2024 at 12:59 PM ET
WildTurkE
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09/23/24 12:59 PM ET
I would suggest reading some of conference realignment board
-- HokieAl
Sep 23, 2024 at 07:07 PM ET
HokieAl
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09/23/24 07:07 PM ET
I think you are very wrong but time will tell**
-- Hokie83
Sep 23, 2024 at 03:55 PM ET
Hokie83
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09/23/24 03:55 PM ET