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After reading the back-and-forth posts between GC and P&J below, I think that they both make valid points. So, I tried to summarize each position (without the insults 😊). P&J’s position is consistent with the current direction of the VT Athletic Department. P2 has broken away from the rest of college athletics in terms of money. The money comes from TV rights, which are driven primarily by football. P2 will invite a select number of schools to join them in the next few years, and VT wants an invite. The best chance to get an invite is for our football program to become relevant again by winning on the field. As a result, directing as much funding as possible to the football program, even at the expense of other sports programs, is in VT’s best long-term interest. Should VT receive a P2 invitation, then it can better fund other sports programs with the P2 football money. Should VT not make into the P2, then VT will have to reallocate limited resources based on the new landscape. GC calls for a change in the direction of the VT Athletic Department. VT’s on-field football performance over the next few years will have little impact on whether VT receives an invitation to the P2. As a result, it is not prudent for VT to direct money from the only other revenue sport (men’s basketball) to football. Instead, VT should leverage its limited resources where it can have the most impact on wins and losses. Given the much smaller team size for basketball vs football, spending on basketball has a higher win-loss impact than spending on football. Should VT receive a P2 invitation, then it could spend more money on football to be competitive at that level. Should VT not make it into the P2, then it will at least have a stronger position in the only other revenue sport (i.e. men’s basketball).
Posted: 09/23/2024 at 12:45 PM ET
(In response to this post by VT ChemE 1986)

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I vote to divert our NIL money to BB. The FB experiment is over.**
VT ChemE 1986 • 09/22/24 03:09 PM ET
Announce that at the sold out football game 🙈$$$$$**
jagerhokie • 09/25/24 04:43 PM ET
MBB, WBB, Softball, Wrestling. **
40ozDistrict • 09/24/24 09:10 PM ET
And if the AD tried to shift that money to other than football, ...
Atlee Hokie • 09/24/24 03:56 PM ET
My ultimate thought about TV money and conference alignment...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 03:15 PM ET
That's basically what the Supreme Court case in the early 80s was about.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/03/24 07:40 AM ET
Can't see VT having much negotiating room at the present with FB or BB.**
atlhokie1 • 09/25/24 08:54 PM ET
Honestly it would be pretty similar to what they currently have
GCHokie34 • 09/25/24 09:19 PM ET
Didn't Texas already do that with the Longhorn Network?**
hoosnowahokie • 09/24/24 03:26 PM ET
Sort of! But yeah, along those lines**
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 03:29 PM ET
Sorry to maybe hijack the thread but have a few thoughts as to uva/vt
wahoo2023 • 09/24/24 12:36 PM ET
Yes, I think VT ultimately cuts some sports. Very interested to see how
hoosnowahokie • 09/24/24 03:31 PM ET
The irony is it is the “wine and cheese” crowd
wahoo2023 • 09/25/24 09:29 AM ET
I think UVA is closer to right than VT at this stage
VT ChemE 1986 • 09/24/24 02:51 PM ET
UVA is cutting some fat, its T/F is cutting 13 positions because of NIL
HokieRat • 09/24/24 02:28 PM ET
Great debate below.......
2hhoop3 • 09/24/24 12:35 PM ET
Did you ever read the book "good to great"? Food for thought. **
ColoVT82 • 09/24/24 02:38 PM ET
I have not read......
2hhoop3 • 09/24/24 02:47 PM ET
I do feel like privately, WB would tell you he's trying to find a glide
WildTurkE • 09/24/24 12:59 PM ET
While football is disappointing, the numbers say we need to stick with it
HokieAl • 09/23/24 08:53 PM ET
Football has been horrible...for a while
GCHokie34 • 09/23/24 09:19 PM ET
That's the point. Bad football is bringing in $68m in revenue.
HokieAl • 09/23/24 09:41 PM ET
If you're of the opinion that there's a football product VT can reach...
GCHokie34 • 09/23/24 09:54 PM ET
How are you making that jump from my post? I never said top 20 in revenue
HokieAl • 09/23/24 10:08 PM ET
I say that because here's the thing...
GCHokie34 • 09/23/24 10:41 PM ET
I do not believe your first line.
Atlee Hokie • 09/24/24 09:23 AM ET
The argument is you can't play "good competitive football" on a y2y basis
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 09:28 AM ET
What are the issues other schools don't have to contend with?
hokeyhokie • 09/24/24 09:01 AM ET
Geography, population, demographic...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 09:11 AM ET
Wasn't VTs athletic dept financiallly competitive with other major schools
hokeyhokie • 09/24/24 01:21 PM ET
To answer the other part of your point...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 02:56 PM ET
What do you believe.........
2hhoop3 • 09/24/24 03:10 PM ET
You know all those commercials we've seen in the past year
hoosnowahokie • 09/24/24 03:33 PM ET
Being a bully...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 03:18 PM ET
I agree .........
2hhoop3 • 09/24/24 03:29 PM ET
Every conference has its own Twitter, IG etc.
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 05:14 PM ET
Perhaps........
2hhoop3 • 09/24/24 05:29 PM ET
Recruiting was regional then...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 02:48 PM ET
WADR, this argument is a broken record..
VPI63 • 09/24/24 12:59 PM ET
Anyone know how Frank Beamer addressed TikTok with his players?**
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 02:41 PM ET
Nebraska athletics exceeded $200M in FY23
huskerHokie • 09/24/24 11:39 AM ET
Virginia Tech has "limitations" in its athletic budget**
huskerHokie • 09/24/24 11:47 AM ET
Lincoln, Nebraska...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 11:46 AM ET
Graduates stay in Nebraska? Funny!
huskerHokie • 09/24/24 11:51 AM ET
How many graduates have the ability to stay in Blacksburg even if they want**
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 11:58 AM ET
There are opportunities, people just don't want to live in a place
hoosnowahokie • 09/24/24 03:25 PM ET
I think you're spot on
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 03:28 PM ET
How many Nebraska graduates have to opportunity to stay in Nebraska?**
huskerHokie • 09/24/24 12:04 PM ET
About 7 times as many as VT...**
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 12:06 PM ET
Where are you getting your data from? UVA and Indiana are not top 15 in rev
HokieAl • 09/23/24 11:21 PM ET
Your point is true, especially what sport department is gonna raise profile
HokieRat • 09/24/24 10:39 AM ET
USAToday**
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 08:50 AM ET
Their database is wrong. It has 2021 data copied in 2022 for all schools
HokieAl • 09/24/24 09:15 AM ET
True, the actual numbers are inside...
Chris ColemanAdmin • 09/24/24 09:30 AM ET
I love your analogy. So are we actually hurting our competitiveness by
Femoyer Hokie • 09/24/24 10:03 AM ET
In my opinion yes
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 11:11 AM ET
I think this is where the discussion diverges. It's a matter of perspective
HokieAl • 09/24/24 11:57 AM ET
This is the crux of the debate. Well put. **
Pride_and_Joy • 09/26/24 06:41 AM ET
That's more of a one-time thing for UVA.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 09/24/24 08:59 AM ET
As you stated...
GCHokie34 • 09/24/24 09:19 AM ET
Yeah, definitely agree there.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 09/24/24 09:26 AM ET
Fundraising at VT is very complicated for sure. Sometimes I think very
VTDC • 09/24/24 09:47 AM ET
The way the HC has been run for DECADES is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.**
NokieHokie • 09/24/24 09:35 AM ET
Here's the thing, both of you are actually arguing the same thing...
Gobbler-100 • 09/24/24 12:44 AM ET
I fear GC is right on this one
SC_Hokie • 09/23/24 11:41 PM ET
I support this 100%.**
4dhokies • 09/23/24 05:36 PM ET
Nope.**
VTaimhigh • 09/23/24 04:01 PM ET
Arguments pro and con ◄
win-tech • 09/23/24 12:45 PM ET
Duke has a better chance of being invited to the SEC
WildTurkE • 09/23/24 12:59 PM ET
I would suggest reading some of conference realignment board
HokieAl • 09/23/24 07:07 PM ET
Not a prayer.**
VTaimhigh • 09/23/24 04:00 PM ET
I think you are very wrong but time will tell**
Hokie83 • 09/23/24 03:55 PM ET