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I won't profess to understand all of (i.e. any of) the labor law. I find

parallels in discussions that are currently taking place with graduate students regarding their compensation. When I was a student (during the Dark Ages when oil lamps were still being used), stipends were viewed as being compensation that is paid for services while students received training. The training itself was viewed as part of the compensation, but there was not an expectation that students with families could support them entirely on the stipends. (Hence the many stories that exist about spouses supporting the families during those periods.) Now, there seems to be an evolving (or evolved) expectation that stipends provide "a living wage." It's perhaps not surprising this has occurred: the cost structure for a graduate education has changed considerably since then. I now hear many students asking to be treated as employees with benefits comparable to other employees of the institution. I understand some of the mentality (I've worked with students outside the US where they work as and are treated as professionals while they are completing graduate degrees). But I feel that the students no longer see as much value in the education/training as I did. (I've not yet seen that with my own graduate students, but I fear it is just a matter of time.) I feel similarly about the student/athletes: for many of them, the focus has moved away from the benefits that come with being a student and just to the immediate dollar.
Posted: 04/14/2023 at 12:29 PM ET
(In response to this post by Stech)

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Alleyne back on the portal market **
millmtnhokie • 04/13/23 01:57 PM ET
A few of the UCONN fans are humorous, they just won a natty and complaining**
Tuckahokie • 04/14/23 11:00 AM ET
Must be a nice problem to have. **
VaTechHokiesACC • 04/14/23 09:17 PM ET
One possibility is that there’s a certain graduate program he wants…
ombandit • 04/14/23 06:44 AM ET
Yeah you’re onto something. Mens BB unicorns do exist**
JackDSML • 04/14/23 09:09 AM ET
Adam Smith is about the only player I've every seen do that
hoosnowahokie • 04/14/23 08:30 AM ET
Pamplin has few VT athletes in the Data Analytics Masters program
UpperQuad • 04/14/23 09:49 PM ET
It's starting/playing time. He wants more minutes to showcase his talent**
HokieRat • 04/14/23 08:14 AM ET
It’s always about playing time. Ask any coach. Signed A Coach**
JackDSML • 04/14/23 09:17 AM ET
Love the back to VT tweet.**
atlhokie1 • 04/13/23 10:01 PM ET
The portal and NIL have completely killed college athletics
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 08:50 PM ET
No, just changed the traditional form of college athletics
NC Hoke • 04/14/23 11:30 AM ET
No. The transfers done and money made by everyone but the players
Gator Hokie • 04/14/23 09:35 AM ET
Quite the opposite. The portal has brought better parity
hoosnowahokie • 04/14/23 08:26 AM ET
Of course this assumes parity makes sports better - which IMO it doesn't
marcbvtgm • 04/14/23 09:38 AM ET
Great games happen when the teams are evenly matched
soflahokie • 04/14/23 11:56 AM ET
NIL just put (almost) everything that was under the table, above the table.
WholeLottaHokie • 04/14/23 08:52 AM ET
Angela Reese is raking in $1.3M**
HokieDan95 • 04/13/23 09:43 PM ET
So you have proven my point...
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:15 PM ET
So you begrudge her making bank now
hoosnowahokie • 04/14/23 08:29 AM ET
Yes, the portal killed a billion dollar industry...
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 09:29 PM ET
Yeah sure, so college b’ball is an “Industry” now,you just made his point**
ombandit • 04/14/23 12:39 AM ET
It has been an industry for 50+ years...
GCHokie34 • 04/14/23 11:17 AM ET
It became an industry long before the portal or NIL, so don't see how the
BG Hokie • 04/14/23 09:34 AM ET
An athlete is not fired and kicked out of school for poor performance
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:27 PM ET
Players are kicked off a team for bad performance every yr at every school
GCHokie34 • 04/14/23 11:19 AM ET
No but their scholarship might not be renewed. CMY seems to have sent
atlhokie1 • 04/14/23 08:06 AM ET
You’re correct money corrupts everything sooner or later. If you can’t see
uber hokie • 04/13/23 10:43 PM ET
Viewership has remained the same or grown since the Portals inception
GCHokie34 • 04/14/23 11:20 AM ET
Wouldn't viewership......
2hhoop3 • 04/14/23 06:00 PM ET
Proof source ?? Just finished reading articles with numbers from last
uber hokie • 04/14/23 05:18 PM ET
Viewership =/= attendance
GCHokie34 • 04/14/23 05:55 PM ET
Money is the root of all evil.**
LXNTN_HOKIE • 04/14/23 02:46 AM ET
The love of money is the root of all evil. **
millmtnhokie • 04/14/23 06:48 AM ET
Yes, this comes from the most
GCHokieof91 • 04/14/23 12:19 PM ET
1 Timothy 6:10
millmtnhokie • 04/14/23 01:22 PM ET
Thanks for making the correct statement**
VTCALS72 • 04/14/23 06:57 AM ET
Money don’t talk, it swears! **
ombandit • 04/14/23 06:42 AM ET
How in God's name could you ever be in support of the portal?**
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 09:41 PM ET
Freedom of movement. They aren’t indentured servants.**
Femoyer Hokie • 04/14/23 11:25 AM ET
It’s not just the portal it’s the NIL also. **
uber hokie • 04/14/23 05:21 PM ET
Fans only complain about the portal when they lose players that they want..
vtbball80 • 04/14/23 10:44 AM ET
Because every college student can transfer whether they want.
st_andrew • 04/13/23 09:46 PM ET
I went in and out of the portal several times during the completion of my
IB4TECH • 04/15/23 01:46 PM ET
I liked it better when players had to sit out a year.**
LXNTN_HOKIE • 04/14/23 02:48 AM ET
I wish they would bring that rule back.
NC Hoke • 04/14/23 12:09 PM ET
You are comparing apples and oranges**
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:16 PM ET
So people who
st_andrew • 04/14/23 06:34 AM ET
Take out the CAPS
VTCALS72 • 04/14/23 07:03 AM ET
Ahhh the old company scrip argument
st_andrew • 04/14/23 07:06 AM ET
What a crock. You are saying the payment for a college education
VTCALS72 • 04/14/23 07:13 AM ET
I'm like you. I don't understand the
133303Hokie • 04/14/23 06:56 AM ET
Being against NIL is un American **
st_andrew • 04/14/23 06:58 AM ET
Not every student has signed a contract for a grant in aid
GusDaMan • 04/13/23 10:21 PM ET
But that's exactly what it has become...
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:18 PM ET
Athletic Scholarships are year to year, they can and have been revoked.
Stech • 04/13/23 10:40 PM ET
And fans can leave
TomTurkey • 04/14/23 11:32 AM ET
You are comparing student athletes vs. employees
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:19 PM ET
The Supreme Court with Justices from both side of the aisle changed that.
Stech • 04/14/23 08:45 AM ET
I won't profess to understand all of (i.e. any of) the labor law. I find ◄
HokieEngineer • 04/14/23 12:29 PM ET
That is really the heart of this discussion
VTCALS72 • 04/14/23 07:12 AM ET
Sure. As I said I don't have anything against the portal
GusDaMan • 04/13/23 10:45 PM ET
Gotcha, that’s an interesting idea.**
Stech • 04/14/23 08:38 AM ET
I like that idea.**
LXNTN_HOKIE • 04/14/23 02:52 AM ET
Same way I'm 100% in favor of you being able to leave your job**
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 09:41 PM ET
Again, comparing two very different concepts that are truly not relatable **
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 11:20 PM ET
Then go ahead and explain how they arent...**
GCHokie34 • 04/14/23 11:21 AM ET
I think we need to distinguish.....
2hhoop3 • 04/13/23 08:54 PM ET
Correct**
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 09:41 PM ET
Good grief C.B.! **
ombandit • 04/13/23 05:50 PM ET
Who wants a 30% three point shooter!**
HokieHoopzThe2nd • 04/13/23 04:46 PM ET
More to his game than that **
VaTechHokiesACC • 04/13/23 07:26 PM ET
what exactly? He is a replaceable piece, not a difference maker
Vienna_Hokie • 04/13/23 09:40 PM ET
I could see him playing closer to home for his final year. Maybe GT or Ga.**
LXNTN_HOKIE • 04/14/23 02:56 AM ET
Plays great D.**
atlhokie1 • 04/13/23 10:02 PM ET
Indiana, South Carolina and Georgia so far...
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 05:38 PM ET
Then he ends up at Georgia Tech, puts 20+ on us and folks will wonder who
HokieBrazil • 04/13/23 06:37 PM ET
maybe put up 20+ bricks on us**
Windows NT • 04/13/23 10:52 PM ET
Queue up Rick Nelson, 🎶I'm a traveling man...🎶**
TomTurkey • 04/13/23 04:39 PM ET
Some players are transferring every year. There needs to be some limit.
LXNTN_HOKIE • 04/14/23 03:02 AM ET
Guess Alleyne knows you can't please everyone, got to please yourself.**
KCHokie2 • 04/13/23 06:43 PM ET
Why? **
VT ChemE 1986 • 04/13/23 02:45 PM ET
Well it probably wasn't due to Twitter trolls :-)**
WildTurkE • 04/13/23 06:16 PM ET
Because this is.......
2hhoop3 • 04/13/23 05:24 PM ET
Go after the best freshman transfers.
NC Hoke • 04/14/23 11:51 AM ET
What I can't/don't understand is with all the transferring how are these
TWHokie • 04/13/23 08:12 PM ET
Ask the Vicks how they meet requirements. They were not students **
JackDSML • 04/14/23 02:36 PM ET
Athletes are not the same as regular students in this regard
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 09:41 PM ET
They ain't come here to play no school**
LonghornHokie • 04/13/23 09:37 PM ET
silly Hokie, thinking school and classes have anything to do with this
Vienna_Hokie • 04/13/23 09:23 PM ET
Did you think academics ever mattered? lol...not sure Ike Whitaker
flhokie25 • 04/13/23 08:52 PM ET
Justyn Mutts transferred twice...**
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 09:47 PM ET
He transferred up a level twice.**
atlhokie1 • 04/13/23 10:03 PM ET
And?
GCHokie34 • 04/13/23 10:08 PM ET
And, you’re not supposed to use examples that hurt the disgruntled argument**
hokieZ71 • 04/13/23 10:40 PM ET
What disgruntled argument? Maybe you shouldn't project your feelings.
atlhokie1 • 04/14/23 08:04 AM ET
Sigh....**
VT ChemE 1986 • 04/13/23 05:43 PM ET
That seems to be the ? From most. Only NA knows. **
millmtnhokie • 04/13/23 03:01 PM ET
Hrm...**
WildTurkE • 04/13/23 02:23 PM ET