do a deep dive in to stats which are way less vague than “ find success “ However I looked at Nickel and Collins. And there stats really showed not much progress or regression by either. PT was close to the same which can screw stats obviously. Nickel is averaging almost 2 points per game more and Collins is averaging less than 1/2 point more. So they really are producing at abut the same level they were at Tech. I’m feel sure Collins is playing good D and Nickels is not just as they were last year. Really hard to compare Rice because he was constantly hurt in Blacksburg so if he hasn’t been hurt then maybe has “ found success “ . Have watched Pedulla play a couple of time he seems to not be trying to do to much now as he did at Tech so there’ s that. Alleyne got in a perfect situation and won a Natty although his PT was greatly reduce I would say he “ found success” . Maddox kid of moved down to lower competition level and usually that equals finding success. But as player grow from year to year get stronger, smarter more experienced their production and stats naturally improve. Don’t think any of these players development say anything good or bad about CMY. Just says he recruited some pretty good players that other people offered more money to . Impossible to keep everyone happy in this current NiL, TP era.