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Stats from ACC's relative to NCSU/ VT (Long post alert)

I think the following might be of interest: Total takedowns in ACC Tournament: NC State- 37 (22 total matches) 1.68 takedowns per match VT- 37 (27 total matches) 1.37 takedowns per match Total stall calls in ACC Tournament: NC State- 10 (22 total matches) .45 stall calls a match VT- 13 (27 total matches) .48 stall calls a match For the tournament as a whole the action appears pretty equal (Slight edge to NCSU in takedowns, almost a wash in stall calls) However when you look at the head to head action between NCSU and VT things begin show quite a bit of disparity: Head to head total takedowns (8matches): NC State- 11 (1.37 per match) VT- 3 (.38 per match) Head to head total stall calls: NC State- 4 (.5 per match) VT- 3 (.38 per match) If we include the NCSU vs VT dual and combine with head to head ACC's for a larger sample size we get the following: Total takedowns: NC State- 23 VT- 10 Total stall calls: NC State- 9 VT- 9 Takedowns per stall call: NC State- 2.55 VT- 1.11 From a tactics perspective relative to stalling with the lead it's interesting to look at who was tagged with stalling during a match while they were winning. (Again combining stats between dual and head to head ACC's for a larger sample size): NC State- out of the 13 matches NCSU won they stalled with the lead 4 times (31%) ACC's Camacho vs Flynn 4-2 ACC's Orine vs Latona 4-0 ACC's Jack vs Crook 14-6 Dual Camacho vs Flynn 5-1 VT- out of the 5 matches VT won they stalled with the lead 4 times (80%) ACC's Stewart vs Fishback 8-5 Dual Henson vs Arrington 4-1 Dual Brady vs Fields 4-2 Dual Stewart vs Fishback 7-2 Couple of considerations: -Takedowns are not always a perfect indicator of "action" but they are most likely the best indicator of controlled action in the neutral position - Stall calls remain widely subjective, however assuming mass bias by a group of referees is probably not substantiated even though it can feel that way at times. - There appears to be plenty of opportunity for double stall calls in the neutral position that could lead to "action" All that being said, I think it's awesome to have two really solid programs in the ACC, and I hope that UNC, Virginia, and Pittsburg continue to develop over the next few years. (Afraid Duke is a lost cause) I think both NCSU and VT have guys who can legitimately win a National Championship this year. Arrington and Henson vs the field would be a great money line.
Posted: 03/11/2024 at 01:59 PM ET

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Stats from ACC's relative to NCSU/ VT (Long post alert)
Hatteras 03/11/24 01:59 PM ET
Re:disparity
tigerpark135 03/11/24 04:45 PM ET
I don't think it will be the case this year. We've scored higher at NCAAs
goodbadugly 03/11/24 05:00 PM ET
Actually though…..
Fstalker 03/11/24 03:52 PM ET
Shot attempts
Hatteras 03/11/24 10:44 PM ET
Good thoughts
Hatteras 03/11/24 06:48 PM ET
Yeah the CALLED stalling vs what was NOT called
hokiepro 03/11/24 05:52 PM ET
Orine didn’t commit to a single shot
bushartbs525 03/11/24 04:22 PM ET
Orine should get called for stalling on top. Refs allow that deep waist
HokieToph 03/12/24 12:40 PM ET
You’re right my bad
Fstalker 03/11/24 06:03 PM ET
I think it was 2 back points, an escape, and a RT point but yes, no actual
goodbadugly 03/11/24 04:32 PM ET
Minor correction - Orine won again without getting a TD. Tough to swallow
goodbadugly 03/11/24 04:14 PM ET
Very interesting. **
WolfpackPins 03/11/24 03:49 PM ET
Dang, that’s some great info and work you did there
emhokie 03/11/24 03:31 PM ET
I think you're missing TJ over Kane in the
Pylons 03/11/24 02:36 PM ET
I just included NCSU vs VT matches in that section
Hatteras 03/11/24 03:00 PM ET
Oh, right...I wasn't thinking about the context...oops!**
Pylons 03/11/24 03:22 PM ET
Good post. NC State has a great team and, IMO, a decent shot at a podium
goodbadugly 03/11/24 02:17 PM ET
Agreed. They were impressive.
Pylons 03/11/24 02:39 PM ET
Good analysis**
Hokie Flyer 03/11/24 02:14 PM ET
Nice analysis ...
TheStateGuy 03/11/24 02:05 PM ET
My personal opinion!
blindstallion 03/11/24 02:45 PM ET
I just thought he was a poor high school ref. He was just bad all around.**
ChEHokie78 03/11/24 08:25 PM ET