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I don’t think he’s generational either, I’m just saying that relative to the rest of his bracket there’s a larger skill gap. I think Starocci being banged up closes the gap at 174, and I can’t think of another weight where the top guys are that far apart.

Parker’s motor is on another level and his ability to scramble will likely make him nearly untouchable. An argument could be made that he’s the most likely 1 seed to win. Brooks having to deal with a healthy Hidlay (which I don’t think he’s been at NCAA’s since his first tournament) is going to be a handful and the rest of the weights also have dominate 2 seeds or land mine on the top half of the bracket.

Took me a bit and I was only able to pull info from the Dual Total Shot attempts: NCSU- 54 Shots 3 Re-attacks VT- 41 Shots 6 Re-attacks Total Riding time: (Plus or minus a few seconds because the feed was inconsistent) NCSU- 8:18 VT- 2:31 Shot/Riding time by match Breakdown by match: 149: Henson- 5 shots, 1 re-attack, 1 TD /// Arrington 5 shots, :06 riding time 157: Hipolito- 4 Shots, 1 re-attack /// Scott 6 shots, 1 re-attack, 3 TD 1:58 riding time 165: Brady- 6 Shots, 1 TD, :08 riding time /// Fields 5 shots 174: Lewis- 6 Shots, 1 re-attack, 2 TD 1:33 riding time /// Faison 2 shots, 1 re-attack 184: Stewart- 4 Shots, 2 re-attack, 2 TD :38 riding time /// Fishback 7 shots 197: Smith- 3 shots /// Hidlay 13 shots, 1 Re-attack, 5 TD 2:58 riding time HWT: Mullen- 2 shots, :12 riding time /// Trephan 1 shot, 1 TD 125: Flynn- 4 shots /// Camacho 5 shots, 1 TD :27 riding time 133: Latona- 3 shots, 1 re-attack /// Orine 2 shots 1:27 riding time 141: Crook- 4 shots /// Jack 8 shots, 2 TD, :22 riding time

“ but if you look at shots and pace of match then it’s lopsided the other way” if that’s the case why is VT only scoring 3 takedowns against NCSU at ACC’s? “They back up to the out of bounds and if they’re in trouble they flee and we don’t finish if they’re in position to score they do a great job keeping us in to finish.” This has been a very successful formula for Lewis and Henson. I will try to go back and look at shots vs stalls. That being said, they don’t award points for shots. Final thought, when guys are scoring takedowns refs tend to give them more leniency because they have been scoring, the exception being the end of a match when a guy is up and blatantly stalling to save the win (Stewart, Camacho, Jack) In a lot of those situations wrestlers know they have 15-20 seconds and there’s just about no way they will give up 3-4 stall calls. It always feels cheap but at the same time it’s also the smart thing to do, and everyone in the country does it to some extent.

It looks like VT had 6 total stalling with the lead matches during ACC, and NCSU had 5. I would have to go back and check for sure.

I think the following might be of interest: Total takedowns in ACC Tournament: NC State- 37 (22 total matches) 1.68 takedowns per match VT- 37 (27 total matches) 1.37 takedowns per match Total stall calls in ACC Tournament: NC State- 10 (22 total matches) .45 stall calls a match VT- 13 (27 total matches) .48 stall calls a match For the tournament as a whole the action appears pretty equal (Slight edge to NCSU in takedowns, almost a wash in stall calls) However when you look at the head to head action between NCSU and VT things begin show quite a bit of disparity: Head to head total takedowns (8matches): NC State- 11 (1.37 per match) VT- 3 (.38 per match) Head to head total stall calls: NC State- 4 (.5 per match) VT- 3 (.38 per match) If we include the NCSU vs VT dual and combine with head to head ACC's for a larger sample size we get the following: Total takedowns: NC State- 23 VT- 10 Total stall calls: NC State- 9 VT- 9 Takedowns per stall call: NC State- 2.55 VT- 1.11 From a tactics perspective relative to stalling with the lead it's interesting to look at who was tagged with stalling during a match while they were winning. (Again combining stats between dual and head to head ACC's for a larger sample size): NC State- out of the 13 matches NCSU won they stalled with the lead 4 times (31%) ACC's Camacho vs Flynn 4-2 ACC's Orine vs Latona 4-0 ACC's Jack vs Crook 14-6 Dual Camacho vs Flynn 5-1 VT- out of the 5 matches VT won they stalled with the lead 4 times (80%) ACC's Stewart vs Fishback 8-5 Dual Henson vs Arrington 4-1 Dual Brady vs Fields 4-2 Dual Stewart vs Fishback 7-2 Couple of considerations: -Takedowns are not always a perfect indicator of "action" but they are most likely the best indicator of controlled action in the neutral position - Stall calls remain widely subjective, however assuming mass bias by a group of referees is probably not substantiated even though it can feel that way at times. - There appears to be plenty of opportunity for double stall calls in the neutral position that could lead to "action" All that being said, I think it's awesome to have two really solid programs in the ACC, and I hope that UNC, Virginia, and Pittsburg continue to develop over the next few years. (Afraid Duke is a lost cause) I think both NCSU and VT have guys who can legitimately win a National Championship this year. Arrington and Henson vs the field would be a great money line.