With the talent we have now we have the ability to elevate the program from perennial top 10 to perennial top 5 competing for trophies every year. I still personally think we'll be behind PSU/OSU but aside from those two we have a real chance at being the clear #3 program in the country year in and year out, and maybe just maybe that's enough to have everything bounce our way one year and win a team championship. I'm assuming most on here donate. I think the next big step is making enough noise that we can turn some more casual fans that donate to VT into die hards and get some of those dollars going to SERTC.