This game and the things that need to be fixed in the off-season
Wenzel - Might as well say it because there are going to be so many bashers who will only focus on her and nothing else. You might as well ask her to transfer because those people who will bash her will think she should not do anything. Not handle the ball, not drive, not shoot, not be a PG... She shot poorly from outside. She didn't finish layups especially when she was hammered and no foul was called. She had 5 assists, so she is responsible for facilitating 10 more points. She had 2 TOs and 0 fouls... She is a r-sophomore who people expect to play like she is a senior. She led the team in scoring and that means she had a level of consistency. Yes, her efficiency needs to improve; however, I have seen games in which Ekh was 3-for-10 but very people said anything. Wenzel is clearly a target from fans exclusively.
But to the game
Spacing
The team's spacing is often not good. I show three photos in a row as examples. There are worse. The cardinal rule of team basketball is that when someone drives, a nearby teammate needs to MOVE and take their defender away. If the help defender stays, then the driver can pass to the teammate who, for example, moved from the wing to the corner. The post should move out of the way and take their defender away. Example 1: MIcheaux gets the ball at the top of the key and drives left. Lookat where baker and ekh are. Micheaux actually scores on this drive, but she made it more difficult than it needed to be. She needed to drive to her right where there is no help defender and if Ekh's defender slides over to get over, she can pass to Ekh. Example 2: Ekh drives to her left into the lane. Look at Baker/her defender as well as Lani White an her defender. Even Nelson is near her. Ekh had to stop and pull out. Baker needed to be gone. This is prevalent all year. Screening action doesn't free up someone for a clean drive. Micheaux might dive into the lane but Baker or Peterson might be near her, so Micheaux has to deal with 3 defenders.
Lots of Missed Mid-Range Jumpers:
In the first half, Lani White and Ekh missed a bunch of shots around the FT line. Ekh actually had layup opportunities but decided to bail on some. But there were several sequences in the first half and second half when we were close, but we missed shots that resulted in lost opportunities.
Baker Tosses Things Up Around the Basket:
Wenzel will get criticism but no one else can do anything wrong. There have been several games where Baker's primary offensive role has been to post up. We have lost the two games that come to mind. One was an earlier loss when baker took NO 3-pters. Wasn't even set up to. This is another game where her main role was to post up. She might have been a facilitator on the perimeter, but she was a post up. Unfortunately, most of the time she posts up, she tosses the ball as if it needs a prayer to go in. She had one move that resulted in a real layup. Her other shot saround the basket would have been luck to go in. Micheaux had a couple of those too. Odds are she is rushing to get a shot off. SOmeone may say GT overplayed her and didn't allow her shot attempts....
Dealing with OverPlays:
Let's focus on this game. White, Ekh, Baker don't make overplays pay. They stand there when closed guarded because the play calls her them to get the ball in that spot. We rarely see backdoor cuts. It puts pressure on the passer too who might have no where to go..then the passer gets blamed for problems.
There other situation where we see overplays that hurt us is when good teams read and overplay that predictable pass into the high post. FSU, Duke, NC State all over played that pass into Micheaux and Baker, resulting in steals. Louisville started to do it at the end of the game. That set is very scoutable and aggressive/good teams make it harder.
Defensively.
- Screens - We STRUGGLE with screening action. Many teams do.... whether we get chasing or we have to fight three multiple screens, fine...But teams should screen us to death. The post whose player is often screening rarely helps, rarely sags to take away the new play...is often frozen between stepping up or sagging down.... Many teams have gotten easy passes into a rolling post or drivers get to the basket. We are saved by teams throwing it away or good rotation by a 3rd defender. Teams SHOULD screen us to death. There is a third image that shows a drive by GT's good guard with Lani White chasing. Look at Baker...She NEEDS to see if coming and drop. Because Baker does not drop, the guard SHOULD score...She doesn't oinly because mishandles the pass and White is able to catch up.
Conversely, Vt's screens don't result in much. We pass into the high post and screen to the corner. Half the time, it was not really needed to result in the pass to Ekh or White coming up. Half the time, the screen isn't set or isn't used. It really doesn;t free up action to the basket.... Now screens to Matilda or White has freed up that mid-range shot in the lane... Not tonight... We didn't do it as much. It could result in a pass to a rolling MIcheaux but we are slow to squeeze it between two people... There are screens that Wenzel tryies to take advantage off, but it results in random missed layups because again, we don't have good spacing.
We lost tonight because we could not stop Morgan at all. She had good hesitation, good change of direction... we didn't have good help when people were isolated.
I am surprised that neither team got to the line much. 10 Fts for GT and 7 for VT? There was far more contact that affected scoring than that. 16 total fouls? That is crazy...and i hate that because you know some other game in the tournament or country is going to be officiated differently. Wenzel should have been at the line more than she was,
The off- season ...
Wenzel needs to become more automatic from outside. She needs to be able to get tighter on her drives which means better screening action and teammates clear space.
Baker should be primarily an inside scorer for this team. She needs to take on the Ekh role and shoot more from outside than inside.
We need real inside presences that are not (a) undersized and (b) are not projects.
Nelson needs to become an outside threat or she needs to be set up to drive more...Intentionally set up, not randomly when she sees an opening. She needs to average 8-12 pts a game.
Spacing, screening action, finishing,
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so sure adding Suffren back would be a big help and this is not an analysis of Suffren in particular although obviously you'd want her to contribute at a higher level just that this team has been running six players for most of the year a seventh viable player would have helped greatly regardless who it was. heck the BC overtime game you had three players with 40 minutes or over with the OT. Step one would be to get 7-8 dependable players to rotate in. Suffren in particular would give you another option at the pg w/Mack and Carleigh.
So yeah, we'll be losing two of those dependable players, Ekh and Michaux so honestly don't know where those 7-8 players are coming from. Mack, Suffren, Wenzel at pg (or 2) Baker, a young Petersen, L. White at wingy type players... I'm afraid next year is going to be stepping back a little bit...to move forward. This year has been bad news bears*, next year will hopefully be a little more getting the experience to line up etc.
* mean that with great appreciation: Kenny's leftovers and a recruit (who stayed b/c she liked VT), Megan's recruit, Megan's one portal, even a Kentucky recruit that followed her coach to VT, great job getting a winning season out out players coming from all directions.
** Edited by `lag at 3/7/2025, 8:14:40 AM
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Many people talked as if Duffy played more people than Brooks "playing his babies". However, in reality, we went 7-deep against good teams or tight games... Before Suffren got hurt, 8 team. Now, this is not abnormal. When you look at the box scores of KY or USC, Texas, ND....against other good teams, they often only played 7-8 players barring someone getting 1 minute of time. This mystifies me given the number of players these teams COULD recruit or the number playing basketball across the country....well does not mystify me that much...coaches are not willing to risk a major drop off if a bench player is exposed too much...
Losing Micheaux and Ekh will hurt for a team that finished .500. If Nelson or Suffren win a starting role and Wenzel also starts as an off-guard or interchangeable guard, then we may have too many PGs for real playing time to make everyone happy. Baker to me needs to be at the 3 but can she defend on the perimeter? If she continues to play the 4 so that Lani White can start, then she has to continue to guard in the post... we will also continue to post her up at times.. sometimes in games where we need her 3-pt shooting. That might be ok as she becomes more polished around the basket but she struggles against size to score around the basket. Her reverse jump shot from the shallow post is nice. She needs to actually work on driving from the high post...
If the starting lineup is
Nelson/Suffren
Wenzel
White
Baker
and an unknown post
We can be better if all of them continue their development path. They have another off-season to learn Duffy's system, expand on it also, and just develop. We can be better if...
- Wenzel is consistent from outside...basically people need to replace the relative consistency that Ekh provided from outside
- Nelson doesn't look for her shoot more, we become 4 or 5 offensively.
- Baker and White continue to develop
- We need a real, mature post...not a project learning on the fly
- Peterson will be better but can't see her starting over Baker or White
They are need to live in the weight room this off-season.
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And she was very willing to do it to broaden her game but going forward she may be primarily a wing that can also play the post. Petersen might be primarily a four going forward and I think she has a bright future. She certainly got thrown into the fire this year and didn't get burned to a crisp. Amani Jenkins might be in the Petersen role next season. Hopefully Ramiya White and/or Maya Hazleton can add some depth next year. It will be interesting to see Sears and Trent and how much Leila Wells develops. It will be great to have Suffren back as well. Next year's team can be quite different than this year's team and should be deeper, and I believe Coach Duffy has some talent to work with as she adds other pieces. I'm disappointed in the finish this season, but I'm not down on the team.
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post you mentioned being one of them. That has ripple effects like allowing Baker to play 3 like you said: two birds with one stone. Even with that hypothetical player we're still just as thin at the five as we were this past year. Did I say we ran 6 this past year, w/Rose out BC and Syracuse I'd have to go back and look but we were running five, no surprise we lost those. (reminds me of some intramural games I played when only five showed up: that nearly killed me, in fact, I think it did)
And yeah, the rest is the rest, Ramiya backup to the five? maybe I can take back that comment about being just as thin at 5? She lost 30 pounds last summer, if she can do that one more time (and no don't let her go back home, keep her on campus...) we might have something. Petersen then is rotational backup for the wingy players...
So where does Leila fit? early cupcakes or last five minutes of blow outs?
So yeah, everyone's waiting for that five to show up Where are U?
Default position is that next year is VT's real development year with Ramiya and Myah in post positions. I mean, I can live but not sure if the fanbase will, that would be the step back to go forward.
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I also want White to succeed. As I said in another response to another post, I think a key reason why neither played much this year is that I think they would have really struggled to defend screening action...which opposing teams hit us with a lot. Even Micheaux and Baker had issues defending or dealing with screens. I think both could have played more straight up post-defense, rebound, and just been a presence for more than what they did, but modern defense has to do more than that....and if players tooks them out in man-to-man from the perimeter, they would have been in trouble... Imagine the bigs from UNC, Duke, FSU, ND...etc driving on them from the FT line or corners.
But I want Hazelton to succeed. I am fan if not just because she has been positive, patient, and pro-VT.
But we also need a post who is not a project ..who is ready to contribute... at least 1.. probably 2 who can play the 4 and the 5... So Baker and White can split time at the 3.. .Peterson can start or backup at the 4.... Everything else falls into place. If Baker, White, and Wenzel share the 2 and the 3...along with a 3-guard line up that has Nelson, Wenzel, and Suffren in it..... ok. If that is the case, then Nelson needs a 3-pt shot as we can't have two drives, 1 shooter (Suffren and Wells can shoot) unless Baker is in..
Lots of combos are there is we have at least a post who is actually bigger than MIcheaux and who is ready...
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She and Wenzel just both had really off nights .
As for making overplays pay…Ekh & Baker attempted to do some of this but Ekh is SO SLOW, she just can’t beat anyone on a cut. She has to post up or shoot over them
Baker was great the 2nd half of the season but unfortunately she and Wenzel (and even White) had bad shooting days
We were playing pretty good D as well except for rebounding. We played good position D but then gave up an O Rebojnd and got out of rotation. They scored a lot on 2nd chance and then transition when they got hot
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I could not get all the way through reading that. I would have liked a bit better back half of the season, but overall this team exceeded expectations.
Looking forward to next season
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** Edited by Maroon Unit at 3/6/2025, 8:33:46 PM
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I like CW, she has grit, is tough, is a really good player which VT needs and CMD and her assistants will teach her to become a better player in all aspects of the game.
IMHO, I would like CW to play the off guard (the 2 position).
I’m not trying to be sarcastic, you have your opinion. But did you coach women’s or men’s basketball for high school or college? I didn’t, I played big basketball a long, long time ago in the Chicago area.
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