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MidloHokie
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On the rise ball . . .

I didn't care if my daughter EVER threw one. She had one and, on occasion, it would be very effective but she never relied on it. She was a down pitcher. So down, in fact, she had exactly zero balls hit over the fence on her in high school and travel ball. Didn't happen until college and then rarely. A true 6-12 spin is almost impossible to master and you certainly can't do it at mph. The 12-6 for the drop is much easier and you can throw with the same spin. Virtually all rises you see today are corkscrew and, honestly, many are just high fast balls as the physics of the corkscrew/bullet spin isnot going to cause a ball to 'jump'. JMU certainly does have a pitching coach. I've seen Fleet pitch a lot. Some days she's effective but like many HS 'riseballers' she's just not good enough with it to fool collegiate batters out of the zone often enough. Being a collegiate pitching coach is tricky business since virtually all D1 prospects come to campus having been privately coached for many years. Knowing who the prospect's private coach was and how she was coached should be part of the recruiting process. If the collegiate is thinking "I'm going have to fix this kid" the best thing to do is not bring her to campus.
Posted: 06/04/2026 at 11:12 PM ET
(In response to this post by U2Hokie)

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Kavan is best pitcher I have seen entire tourney! Surgical and 3 great
U2Hokie 06/03/26 09:17 PM ET
Student of the late Bill Hillhouse. I've written here before the most . . .
MidloHokie 06/04/26 06:17 AM ET
I believe he died recently. I used to follow him on
public knowledge 06/04/26 09:25 AM ET
Yes, unfortunately.**
MidloHokie 06/04/26 12:00 PM ET
Line Drive Media did a very nice tribute to him (linked)
VTChip 06/04/26 11:12 AM ET
Where was Bill Hillhouse from?**
U2Hokie 06/04/26 08:28 AM ET
Erie, PA...
VTChip 06/04/26 11:14 AM ET
I was impressed with Lincoln also on TT - but had to notice what the rise
U2Hokie 06/04/26 08:26 AM ET
On the rise ball . . .
MidloHokie 06/04/26 11:12 PM ET
Per JMU, Sam Scruggs just got hired in 2025 as a pitching coach right out
U2Hokie 06/05/26 06:55 AM ET
Look. You cannot say Scruggs is not a "real" pitching coach. Every . . .
MidloHokie 06/05/26 07:19 AM ET
no burr really - but I dont view Herzig as one to coach pitchers or a pitch
U2Hokie 06/05/26 08:15 AM ET
Well, how many non-P4 teams have three All-American pitchers in 8 years?
MidloHokie 06/05/26 05:38 PM ET
Look - Libby Bowman was the JMU pitching coach when they beat Oklahoma and
U2Hokie 06/05/26 10:07 PM ET
I never claimed she was a pitching coach, simply that she mentored . .
MidloHokie 06/05/26 10:39 PM ET
Got it - so guilt by association = mentor. Go back and read what I said -
U2Hokie 06/06/26 06:07 AM ET
Well there was Maddie Penta.
MidloHokie 06/06/26 07:38 AM ET
Denny T says I cant argue with that! **
U2Hokie 06/04/26 08:19 AM ET
She has recently been clutch in big games
VTChip 06/03/26 09:40 PM ET
She does seem to lock in in the clutch
hokiepro 06/03/26 09:51 PM ET