Why the P2 will not have the same # of teams and what it means for the ACC
People seem to think that both the SEC and the Big Ten will expand to 20 or even 24 teams in the next round of realignment (around 2030).
I know people like symmetry, but there’s no good reason why the two conferences should end up the same size. This reminds me of what people were saying long time ago. Back then, many believed the end game would be four conferences of 16 teams each (the classic 4×16 model). I haven’t heard anyone seriously talk about that lately.
But we have to consider the business side. In the end, it’s all business, isn’t it?
Fox and ESPN have been the two main drivers behind conference realignment so far.
ESPN is much bigger than Fox in college sports and has far more programming slots to fill (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ACC Network, SEC Network, ESPN News, ESPN+, etc.).
Fox is heavily committed to the Big Ten, but ESPN can comfortably handle more than one major conference. Their strategy has been to prioritize the SEC as the flagship partner while treating the ACC as a secondary property.
The SEC is widely regarded as the best football conference, with excellent basketball and baseball as well. The ACC is a OK football conference with good basketball, baseball, and Olympic sports.
There’s another important dimension, though: the SEC is largely a regional conference focused on the Southeast and Southwest. Being regional isn’t a weakness — it’s a feature by design. The SEC still draws the most eyeballs, and I would argue that its regional identity actually helps its ratings.
But ESPN is a national network. As a national broadcaster, it needs to reach other markets, even if the ratings in those markets aren’t as strong. How many SEC games do you see in the late night TV slots?
Turning the SEC into a “national” conference would be like killing the golden goose. Why would ESPN do that?
The simplest and smartest solution for ESPN is to own a secondary, lower-cost property that provides national reach and complements the SEC. That’s why the SEC doesn’t need to be as large as the Big Ten. Fox needs the Big Ten to cover everything, but the SEC doesn’t have to.
By the way, I think Yormark desperately wanted the Big 12 to become that secondary national property for ESPN. He has openly talked about covering all four time zones and recruited UConn very aggressively for East Coast and New York market exposure.
Unfortunately for Yormark and many Big 12 fans, it looks like ESPN has chosen the ACC for that role by renewing its contract. Sure, Drake T[r]oll and other pundits keep dreaming about the Big 12 poaching ACC schools after 2030, but they don’t seem to understand that the ACC has secured financial stability through 2036 with the new media deal.
Schools may leave in 2030, but the media rights money will still be there. And even the relatively modest ACC deal is still significantly better than the Big 12’s deal. (That’s why you rarely hear them talk about the revenue gap between the two.)
In the next round of realignment, ESPN may allow the SEC to take UNC plus one more school (maybe UVa?). That would expand the SEC’s geographic footprint and strengthen its basketball profile without compromising its strong regional identity or delivering a fatal blow to the ACC.
The Big Ten would likely add two schools as well — at least one from Florida. If they no longer care about AAU status, then Florida State plus Miami could be an option. If they stick to AAU criteria, Arizona or Arizona State could be dark horses. The state of Arizona is as large as Virginia and is growing much faster, yet surprisingly few people have mentioned the Arizona schools as a potential target for the B10.
For the ACC, as I’ve said many times, the ACC needs to add some schools from the Pacific and Mountain time zones. The ACC should target Utah and Arizona State (or Arizona) first. Adding one more Texas school wouldn’t hurt either.
Getting UConn wouldn't be a bad move to backfill if UNC leaves. It would also prevent the Big 12 from gaining a foothold in the Northeast.
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3mo
the pros, you should discover that most of their "conferences" are balanced. The reason they do it is because it makes it a lot easier to create a scheduling model they can keep using year after year. If one of the conferences (or divisions within a conference) becomes imbalanced, then that is when you start to see scheduling quirks pop up. If the P2s opt to create formal divisions within their conference or informal via "protected conference games," then they could want some sort of "balance" to make sure the numbers work (i.e. each team has the same number of protected opponents, etc.).
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3mo
I think because colleges don't have exemptions to anti trust like the pros.
That's a critical difference and that's why conferences play much more powerful roles for college sports.
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3mo
pros do it is because the number of teams are limited. You don't see the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB playing teams from other leagues (think conferences at the college level) during the regular season. Whereas in college you see schools playing teams from both other conferences in the same division level, other NCAA division levels, and even NAIA schools. I would be very surprised if that aspect change assuming college athletics received antitrust exemptions. Now if the P2s decided to do their own thing, then they would just schedule games among themselves. However, for the rest of DI, DII, DIII, and NAIA schools, it remain business as usual in terms of scheduling.
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3mo
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3mo
scheduling format, then show me an example of a pro league whose teams will regularly play teams from another league and those games count in the overall standing like you currently see in college athletics now. You can't because it doesn't exist outside of external tournament competitions that don't count in a league's overall standing.
The reason it is relevant is because it may determine whether college athletics ever receives the exemption or not. Even though poster on this board are only focused on DI athletics, it is very likely Congress can't limit the exemption to just the DI level for multiple reasons. Congress may not be able to limit it to just the NCAA schools (all 3 division levels) because the NCAA schools do play games, which count in the overall standings, against NAIA schools and even JUCO/community college schools in some cases. Hence why I focused on the pro leagues have a limited number of teams. Plus, the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 only gave the exemption to the NFL and not the other pro leagues that operate in the US. It may be accurate to say that MLB, NBA, NHL, MLS, and any other pro league you want to include follows the same scheduling philosophy as the NFL (aka play only games against other league members) without any sort of antitrust exemption. The only reason the NFL received it is because they wanted to negotiate the TV contract(s) for the entire league instead of letting each team negotiate their own TV contract (aka regional contract if you will). That right there may be the main reason why Congress may decide to not give college athletics the exemption because no conference or school will want to give up that power even if Congress is legally able to define who can or can't receive that exemption.
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3mo
Come back when we see a pro style well organized college football league.
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3mo
one. If The B1G grows beyond twenty (very likely) it would not surprise me to see some obtuse configuration like 23 teams in four divisions: 6,6,6, and only five Out West. Or 25 teams with seven Out West. I doubt that anyone, anywhere knows what these conferences will look like in their next iteration, but I suspect that tidy symmetry is not on the list of "must-haves."
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3mo
if it is only a "short term" solution until they settle on who will be the 24th or 25th team. The reason I say that is because the "scheduling math" may not work out for certain numbers. For example, it is possible the schedule generator can't generate a schedule where all 23 teams play 9 (or 10) conference games in football without some teams playing each other twice in the same season. Other sports could have similar type of issue generating their schedules too.
If the Big Ten expanded to 25 or even 30 teams, then they could opt to go with 5 "divisions" instead of 4. Particularly if the Big Ten decides to change its scheduling philosophy and opts to adopt the NFL's scheduling model where you play certain teams home and away every.
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