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I think it is likely ACC will have to settle for say 70 mil. from FSU and

Clemson to keep them in conference beyond June 30th 2024. Leverage is if the leave prior to then ESPN can end TV deal with ACC, which means poof GOR is void and you have total chaos everyone as free agent scrambling to landing somewhere. Due to Clemson and FSU lawsuits we know, ESPN does not have to renew deal and has said they will not beyond 2027 season. This means even if GOR was enforceable and ironclad, which it seems it is not - due to Swofford's corupt shenanigans, etc., penalties to leave are not prohibitive. Apparently the new additions did not know this! It's reported that Stanford is having back door talks with B10 now. Attraction for B10 is with Stanford they would have all of ND's significant rivals. Eventually they can force ND's hand by playing an all conference schedule. Stanford can come in without any revenue for X years, they have endowment $$ to do it. Similar to how SMU got into ACC. I am betting we see either a settlement or FSU and Clemson pulling out sooner pre - 6/30/2024. Yes, bylaws require more notice but swofford and current ACC have violated by-laws alot already, which means there is good chance they are not enforceable. Apparently, Clemson and FSU are headed to the Big Ten, they are worth more to Fox/B10 than SEC. Also bad optics and legal risks if ESPN SEC involved in triggering ACC collapse, let B10 do it. UNC & NCSU are a sticky situation, apparently UNC is worth slightly more to B10 than SEC. At present UNC leadership split AD has backed ACC to hilt, while at least some on board of trustees wanted to sue ACC like Clemson. Also, NC board of governors can veto move by UNC or NCSU to new conference. They likely want to keep schools together much like VT UVA situation politically in VA. UNC & NCSU are worth less as package to one conference. TV value is higher overall if they are split. Same with VT & Uva. We have to hope politicians do not *crew this up. As B10 / SEC have no interest in causing or being involved in political battle. Unless, it is VT & NCSU to SEC and UNC & UVA to B10, we may be forced to the B12 although perhaps not permanently. Miami is a wild card SEC not interested. B10/FOX might take them at very reduced revenue sharing initially for Fox Station in Miami. Otherwise, Miami goes to Big 12. Duke is another interesting situation, they may be able to buy their way into whichever conference takes UNC, although it might be for Basketball only. In any event, this may not be a boring summer waiting for football season to start, but one full of conference realignment bombshells!
Posted: 05/10/2024 at 09:33 PM ET

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I think it is likely ACC will have to settle for say 70 mil. from FSU and ◄
vtox1 • 05/10/24 09:33 PM ET
I knew it was only a matter of time until Stanford to B10 was floated
I85Hokie • 05/13/24 09:35 AM ET
Yup, Stanford does not want to travel as much as they will have to with ACC
949hokie • 05/13/24 09:39 PM ET
Realignment Prediction before August
INSIDE99 • 05/12/24 10:43 PM ET
Prediction if that happens
mrcaniac • 05/13/24 03:52 PM ET
The same way the ACC handled the CFP negotiations
INSIDE99 • 05/13/24 04:37 PM ET
it's the only game in town - for now. Not sure what "their
Big12 guy • 05/13/24 07:33 PM ET
Their own thing
INSIDE99 • 05/13/24 08:46 PM ET
100%**
Big12 guy • 05/13/24 09:01 PM ET
I’m in agreement with a lot of what you said, but I see schools
WBGV • 05/13/24 03:35 PM ET
✍
Maroon Baboon • 05/13/24 12:19 PM ET
You should keep them.........
2hhoop3 • 05/13/24 12:41 PM ET
I like it
INSIDE99 • 05/13/24 02:08 PM ET
Except for FSU, it seems like the damages are causing the other potential
TDVick • 05/13/24 07:23 AM ET
Why do so many think the ACC contract is all or nothing? B12 has 2 networks
Stech • 05/13/24 09:41 AM ET
Yu might be on to something here, if they ever separate basketball. Just
Big12 guy • 05/13/24 03:48 PM ET
Okie Dokie **
Hokie83 • 05/13/24 06:25 AM ET
lol.....**
olemisshokie4life • 05/13/24 09:17 AM ET
That ain’t happening Bro…**
ombandit • 05/12/24 01:52 PM ET
Lost me at 70 million.
Maroon Baboon • 05/11/24 11:32 PM ET
Yep, I see no reason to settle for $1 less than the full amount
HokieNoVA • 05/12/24 11:51 AM ET
OU and Texas paid out 50 MILLION to the XII to leave just ONE year early
Maroon Baboon • 05/12/24 12:54 PM ET
I Think There Are More Ways For This to Play Out
WarHog38 • 05/12/24 06:33 PM ET
The GOR is independent of the media deal until a court says otherwise
VTCALS72 • 05/12/24 08:41 PM ET
Well, if the ESPN refuses to extend, then FSU's lawsuit is mostly a waste
Maroon Baboon • 05/12/24 07:39 PM ET
What are the home games worth to the rest of the conference? FSU, if
Big12 guy • 05/12/24 01:59 PM ET
Did FSU not sign an agreement that says the money goes to the ACC to
VTCALS72 • 05/12/24 08:45 PM ET
That is where you lose me. FSU signed over their rights for what? The
Big12 guy • 05/12/24 09:01 PM ET
All any of us have are opinions so, mine is with an ACC court win,
VTCALS72 • 05/12/24 10:54 PM ET
If they wanted to cut off their nose to spite their face, they could do all
TVLander • 05/12/24 02:56 PM ET
What I'm asking, is if they have home games, and the ACC has
Big12 guy • 05/12/24 03:49 PM ET
I don't think the ACC would bdoing the broadcasting but rather
VTCALS72 • 05/12/24 08:50 PM ET
In addition, the ACC needs to schedule our next three football games...
EDGEMAN • 05/12/24 12:57 PM ET
Need to move that number one decimal point to the right for starters...
EDGEMAN • 05/12/24 05:44 AM ET
Why would Espn just let them go to Fox?**
HokiesACC2004 • 05/11/24 06:41 PM ET
He’s flaming IMHO, but to cut costs. If ESPN doesn’t have to pay FSU & CU,
Stech • 05/11/24 08:58 PM ET
Seth - Fox and ESPN DID NOT separate the football and basketball
Big12 guy • 05/12/24 07:41 AM ET
ESPN still has a ton of hoops in Big 12. Fox bought 26 FB and ~63 MBB.
33laszlo99 • 05/11/24 09:23 PM ET
63 🏀 is a lot, who gets first choice on the games?
Stech • 05/11/24 09:35 PM ET
I didn't see any info on MBB selection routine, but ESPN gets the first
33laszlo99 • 05/11/24 10:32 PM ET
Yeah that’s my point, IMHO needs more college 🏀 programming and the ACC
Stech • 05/12/24 07:06 AM ET
Right. FB is on the front burner for everyone to see. Meanwhile Fox is
33laszlo99 • 05/12/24 07:51 AM ET
Everything I have been hearing lately is VT NCSU to SEC & UVA & UNC 2 B1G.
Stech • 05/12/24 05:54 PM ET
I have tried watching Mr. Addiction... no sale. I try to watch for news
33laszlo99 • 05/12/24 07:23 PM ET
Apparently they are colluding through 3rd parties letting each conference
vtox1 • 05/11/24 08:38 PM ET
Sounds like you have limited your info input to FSU and B12 podcast
VTCALS72 • 05/11/24 02:41 PM ET
Well said, point by point.**
Stech • 05/11/24 08:51 PM ET
great post
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/11/24 05:36 PM ET
To be fair, that was a legitimate gripe. ACC didn't fight for them, either
Hokie 04 • 05/11/24 07:53 PM ET
I Think the ESPN TV Contract and ACC GOR are Rudimentarily Tied Together
WarHog38 • 05/11/24 03:48 PM ET
Why do you think........
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 04:09 PM ET
If there is no media rights contract why would there be a GOR?
RJHokie • 05/11/24 04:43 PM ET
Like I said below.......
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 05:06 PM ET
I believe the current GOR references and is tied into the
RJHokie • 05/11/24 05:44 PM ET
Your interpretation......
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 05:55 PM ET
The Actual Definition of the Grant of Rights.
WarHog38 • 05/11/24 04:41 PM ET
No, that’s not correct…
lawhokie • 05/12/24 05:59 PM ET
Well the ACC Must Find that New Distribution
WarHog38 • 05/12/24 06:47 PM ET
Did not say......
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 05:00 PM ET
It Looks Like We are Just Discussing the Strength of Court Cases
WarHog38 • 05/11/24 06:01 PM ET
Who said there won't be a media deal foreseeable?
VTCALS72 • 05/11/24 07:53 PM ET
Just a Subjective Viewpoint Based on Events From the Past
WarHog38 • 05/11/24 08:53 PM ET
Why has ESPN neglected signing an extension? The answer is simple.
wwhokie1 • 05/11/24 11:34 PM ET
I Agree
WarHog38 • 05/12/24 12:12 AM ET
As I said, they'd be crazy to sign it early. And I will add, with FSU and
wwhokie1 • 05/12/24 06:46 PM ET
How much would you bet.....
2hhoop3 • 05/12/24 06:40 PM ET
If you look at the GOR, then you will see that it expressly identifies the
VTHokie2000 • 05/11/24 05:26 PM ET
If the GOR was linked that tightly then
VTCALS72 • 05/11/24 07:48 PM ET
Not necessarily true since the GOR is structure where the members are
VTHokie2000 • 05/11/24 08:22 PM ET
I know what it says......
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 05:45 PM ET
Why would ESPN not renew with the ACC
Marooned • 05/11/24 03:30 PM ET
Because they don’t need FSU and CU. They will keep them if possible but
HokieAl • 05/11/24 08:46 PM ET
It’s not just the loss of those schools to Fox
Marooned • 05/16/24 07:18 PM ET
How do you know that Stanford has endowment funds to spare? Endowment
IB4TECH • 05/11/24 10:08 AM ET
He doesn't.........
2hhoop3 • 05/11/24 10:25 AM ET
Don't cave make them pay everything you can get from them.**
Minden Hokie • 05/11/24 10:05 AM ET
Good analysis. The 2 questions, 1. Which conference? and 2. Composition of
TDVick • 05/11/24 09:06 AM ET
All the recent discussion of "Stanford" is very interesting. The June
TDVick • 05/11/24 09:18 AM ET
Combine this with congressional legislation for athlete pay getting
TDVick • 05/11/24 09:59 AM ET
How is it good, when ESPN hasn’t said they will end the contract in 2027?
Stech • 05/11/24 09:16 AM ET
I have a feeling in terms of Value, ESPN is just fine with the ACC package
DMV Gobbler • 05/11/24 02:47 PM ET
To your point, ESPN would be losing all these schools to the B10, which
TDVick • 05/11/24 09:30 AM ET
The new B10 will have 24 schools instead of 14 and will fit together quite
TDVick • 05/11/24 09:41 AM ET
Think that gets your total to 27 teams.**
133966Hokie • 05/11/24 06:21 PM ET
My bad (or 28?). Looked at last season's standings. But if Clemson
TDVick • 05/12/24 06:39 AM ET
Don't Really Think the B1G Waiting on ND is the Prime Reason the ACC Is Not
WarHog38 • 05/12/24 04:55 PM ET
As to #3
dayooper • 05/12/24 10:20 AM ET
I have witnessed the Nebraska crazies in Houston. What I'm trying to figure
TDVick • 05/12/24 12:11 PM ET
The amount of sloppiness and "oops, must have missed that" in these
Hokie 04 • 05/11/24 08:41 AM ET
satire
daveinop • 05/11/24 08:41 AM ET
ESPN's goal is not to end the ACC. Their goal is to make money. This
Big12 guy • 05/11/24 08:31 AM ET
Moving the needle
INSIDE99 • 05/11/24 01:39 PM ET
School's will have to take reduced shares to buy way in over a number of
vtox1 • 05/11/24 09:48 PM ET
ESPN told the ACC they will not renew? Did I miss that? **
Big12 guy • 05/12/24 08:19 AM ET
Big 12 Guy I Agree**
VPI 1924 • 05/11/24 11:11 AM ET
You're making a lot of poor assumptions based on Google headlines.
hokieZ71 • 05/11/24 07:24 AM ET
The horse trading truth
INSIDE99 • 05/11/24 03:25 PM ET
Where did ESPN say they will not renew ACC deal beyond 2027!?!? Please link**
Stech • 05/11/24 01:17 AM ET
Where did ESPN say they would renew beyond 2027?
INSIDE99 • 05/11/24 01:47 PM ET
Where did they say they would not renew in 2027? That’s the statement made.**
Stech • 05/11/24 01:52 PM ET
Exactly ..**
DMV Gobbler • 05/11/24 07:10 AM ET
just shaking head!!
ancient alien 2018 • 05/11/24 12:32 AM ET
My best guess where everyone lands:
vtox1 • 05/10/24 09:50 PM ET
It does seem like UNC might have swung back into B10 space. I just wish
TDVick • 05/11/24 08:57 AM ET