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Hey, my whole point all along is a P2 then a next 3 then the G5

I do think the XII is paying paid a premium right now due to the hurry up and wait nature of the time it is going to take to get the ACC schools they want in the P2. After that I am sold on the 3 regional conferences for the purposes I have said. And your last paragraph is the one that I would disagree with way more. It is way more the XI fans who think they are closer to being a P3 than the ACC does. And just as the cherry on top, the NCAA did a study over a 4 year period based not just on attendance but also % of stadium filled and some other things. In it Kansas was like 70 something. This was not a Neilson type where they only count some games or national TV etc. The point, right now the XII does have some coaches who will soon be gone to the P2 and when that happens KU and others have as much chance to drop as they do hold where Leapoild has them. Conversely, the new coach at Cuse may soon have them where Kansas is now. For that matter BC may find their next Ryan, Hasselback or Flutie and be back in the top 10. After all Kansas did and they are a much football weaker place than either of Cuse or BC.
Posted: 05/07/2024 at 07:58 AM ET
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I believe that ultimately UF and USCe will support FSU and Clemson to SEC…
CrystalCoveHokie 05/03/24 12:45 PM ET
To date, the SEC and B1G don’t compete in the same markets, except across
Marooned 05/04/24 01:25 PM ET
Why would they need them?**
HokiesACC2004 05/04/24 02:16 AM ET
FSU fans I talk with are certain Noles are destined for the B1G. Apparently
seekoHoG 05/03/24 09:48 PM ET
Not likely..**
Hokie83 05/03/24 09:31 PM ET
FSU and Clemson to B1G makes more sense than those two to the SEC**
UpstateSCHokie 05/03/24 06:46 PM ET
I strongly disagree
VTCALS72 05/04/24 09:10 AM ET
Clemson is certainly the #1 brand in the upstate (where I live) but if you
UpstateSCHokie 05/04/24 09:34 AM ET
You make a good point **
HokiesACC2004 05/04/24 11:34 PM ET
Is the debate.....
2hhoop3 05/04/24 09:42 AM ET
People outside of Texas talked about TCU when they won a game
Big12 guy 05/04/24 10:19 AM ET
Let it go.....
2hhoop3 05/04/24 10:24 AM ET
I will admit that you have compelling arguments, and we could both be right**
Big12 guy 05/04/24 10:26 AM ET
They might "support" it, but does the SEC really need FSU and Clemson?
VPI_1998 05/03/24 04:12 PM ET
Those two aren't a pimple on UT's butt. **
HokiesACC2004 05/04/24 02:17 AM ET
UT is a unique animal
Marooned 05/03/24 05:20 PM ET
True…and only one school was against them, not the case with FSU & Clemson.**
Stech 05/03/24 10:32 PM ET
Where does Clemson go? I don't see it either, with either of the P2. **
Big12 guy 05/03/24 04:25 PM ET
I think B1G for both FSU and Clemson - it makes sense. Now - as many
VPI_1998 05/03/24 04:32 PM ET
Clemson isn't the #1 brand in their market. A better football team for sure
Big12 guy 05/03/24 05:09 PM ET
Yes
VPI 1924 05/03/24 08:58 PM ET
ODU and Liberty put some pretty good squads on the field. i wouldn't
Big12 guy 05/03/24 09:04 PM ET
I might be wrong but this is a post that reeks of not knowing the lay
VTCALS72 05/03/24 06:37 PM ET
Lived in charlotte for about 10 years. maybe it's different now, but
Big12 guy 05/03/24 08:31 PM ET
Just picking but what year was that, 19??**
VTCALS72 05/03/24 08:35 PM ET
'89 - '97**
Big12 guy 05/03/24 08:36 PM ET
Ever heard of......
2hhoop3 05/03/24 05:59 PM ET
Quite frankly, it's been neither. Going back to 1980 is pretty far in the
Big12 guy 05/03/24 08:29 PM ET
You're wrong,.....
2hhoop3 05/03/24 08:43 PM ET
I go back to King Dixon**
VPI 1924 05/03/24 09:02 PM ET
Never saw him play......
2hhoop3 05/03/24 09:12 PM ET
Alex Hawkins Was His Running Back Mate
VPI 1924 05/03/24 09:33 PM ET
Bakhtiar was born in Iran
VPI 1924 05/03/24 09:37 PM ET
The Persian Prince.**
Atlee Hokie 05/03/24 10:56 PM ET
Yep, made All American and eventually became a medical doctor.
RJHokie 05/03/24 09:43 PM ET
Could be.**
Big12 guy 05/03/24 08:54 PM ET
No could about it......
2hhoop3 05/03/24 09:01 PM ET
You misunderstand. Filling up Williams Brice especially in winless
Big12 guy 05/03/24 09:14 PM ET
How much of that is the effect of joining the SEC though?
Marooned 05/04/24 12:57 PM ET
That is a legit question, as I experienced them as an SEC school. **
Big12 guy 05/04/24 04:22 PM ET
I don't misunderstand........
2hhoop3 05/03/24 09:25 PM ET
I can't get into the minds of the general public, and i don't have the
Big12 guy 05/03/24 09:39 PM ET
Just like aTm supported Big TX to join, right? LOL!**
EDGEMAN 05/03/24 03:35 PM ET
If they weren't going to land in the B1G IMHO maybe, but just like UVaTech
Stech 05/03/24 12:54 PM ET
It's all business
CoolJCPA 05/03/24 01:08 PM ET
If it's about money
obguthr 05/03/24 02:03 PM ET
Because
CoolJCPA 05/03/24 03:52 PM ET
Nobody needs GT to “get Atlanta”
hokieZ71 05/03/24 06:00 PM ET
The B1G and their media partners want to grow a nationwide TV footprint.
33laszlo99 05/03/24 02:54 PM ET
Remember the Boston Market?
VTCALS72 05/03/24 08:51 PM ET
Yes! Loved their 1/4 chicken dark. Then they got pricy
Marooned 05/04/24 01:02 PM ET
You are absolutely right about the dominance of UGA. But GT need not
33laszlo99 05/03/24 10:55 PM ET
So a question, what would those advertisers say about VT being the lynchpin
VTCALS72 05/04/24 08:35 AM ET
The BC move was not compelled by advertisers, media companies, or the
33laszlo99 05/04/24 12:21 PM ET
BC was not......
2hhoop3 05/04/24 12:57 PM ET
Sure, Swoffard is the cause of everything, NOT
VTCALS72 05/04/24 12:34 PM ET
The ACC is better off than 2/3rds of the former G5? The ACC exists today
Big12 guy 05/06/24 03:35 PM ET
2036, you claim to know what the lay of the land will be?
VTCALS72 05/06/24 04:29 PM ET
Haha, it appears the PAC bubble is reemerging, and it is your view. I
Big12 guy 05/06/24 04:42 PM ET
Why would an east coast team take teams from the center/west?
VTCALS72 05/06/24 06:01 PM ET
No, KU is not a draw in football - didn't mean to insinuate that, more
Big12 guy 05/06/24 08:17 PM ET
Never put G5 status on anyone
VTCALS72 05/06/24 09:00 PM ET
Splitting hairs - triple A (your term) is an implication that they are G5.
Big12 guy 05/06/24 09:12 PM ET
Hey, my whole point all along is a P2 then a next 3 then the G5
VTCALS72 05/07/24 07:58 AM ET
I agree with that pertaining to Kansas. Like eUSC, they have spent the
Big12 guy 05/07/24 08:21 AM ET
Everything you said is true, however look at the Fox/B1G model, it’s NFL
Stech 05/03/24 09:58 PM ET
Maybe with the BIG, but Oklahoma is not a large media market. Will
Big12 guy 05/03/24 03:06 PM ET
The SEC uses a College Football Rivalry Model, they want great rivalries.
Stech 05/03/24 10:08 PM ET
I agree. It's rivalries and brand-on-brand for The SEC. This will be even
33laszlo99 05/04/24 12:27 PM ET
I don't disagree with all of this, but as an outsider, looking at the
Big12 guy 05/04/24 08:56 AM ET
The annual Red River Rivalry game
Marooned 05/03/24 05:29 PM ET
Oklahoma has Fully Depended on Texas Recruits Since the Days Before
WarHog38 05/04/24 01:52 AM ET
Oklahoma Will Endure
VPI 1924 05/03/24 09:24 PM ET
Yeah - the OK addition I think is a little bit of a gamble for the SEC.
VPI_1998 05/03/24 04:16 PM ET