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VTCALS72
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The salty over the substance

All those podcast and talking heads are more about what is controversial to get clicks. Most want trade secrets out because it gets clicks. So they combine parts of the ESPN deal with parts of the GOR and try to weave them together to make FSU look like a victim rather than FSU being the bad guy. I mean where does the idea that ESPN is just itching to cut and run from the ACC? But all we get is "if ESPN opts out" is speculating on an action that has not occurred and may well not happen at all. After all ESPN is the part of the deal with the Big 12 and the ACC will have to lose several teams before the Big 12 has any advantage. I believe both the Big 12 and ACC have a similar future which is both being about the same distance below the Power 2
Posted: 02/24/2024 at 06:41 PM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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According to Flugaur FSU related
Millpoint • 02/23/24 06:37 AM ET
The ACC is foolish to settle
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:45 PM ET
They may be prepared to pay that amount, but ACC will 😂 in their face**
ombandit • 02/25/24 08:45 AM ET
Good thing we agreed to provide more money to FSU (as ACC champs).
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:19 AM ET
I still think the easy answer is schedule neutral site instead of home game
HokieToph • 02/23/24 01:34 PM ET
How much is the stadium rent?
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:49 PM ET
Bylaw 20.10.9.2 Football Scheduling Requirements. [FBS] prevents that from
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 02:01 PM ET
2 games in jax, 2 tampa, 2 orlando, 2 tally- does that get around rule?**
realityhokie • 02/23/24 06:49 PM ET
Nope
mrcaniac • 02/23/24 08:35 PM ET
No, don't believe so because FSU has to play at least 5 regular season home
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:09 PM ET
That would result in a lawsuit against FSU for fraud**
tarheelblue • 02/23/24 01:38 PM ET
The more I consider the lawsuit, I agree the exit fees are excessive
HokieAl • 02/23/24 12:56 PM ET
They rights aren't an exit fee.
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 07:59 PM ET
Couple of clarifications....
2hhoop3 • 02/26/24 08:20 PM ET
Thanks, I trusted you tube on the Big 10 gor...**
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 08:52 PM ET
They are only excessive ex post, when FSU wanted out
lawhokie • 02/23/24 10:36 PM ET
FSU agreed to it, nobody held a gun to their head**
BROman Hokie • 02/23/24 03:04 PM ET
If FSU can prove its case that the ACC gave the schools misinformation and
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 04:42 PM ET
I think that will be a hard "prove" No matter what else. FSU and
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 04:59 PM ET
If the message was conveyed in person or during a telephone conversation,
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 06:19 PM ET
The overwhelming factor is FSU agreed to a deal when the weren't all that.
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:27 PM ET
Seems to me.........
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 06:27 PM ET
It appears ESPN's ability to exercise the option unilaterally may be a new
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 06:45 PM ET
You may want to read......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 07:40 PM ET
FSU may have a statute of limitations issue there**
SMU Pony • 02/23/24 10:47 PM ET
You are right there may be a statue of limitation. Since the cause of
VTHokie2000 • 02/24/24 12:20 AM ET
allow me to clarify. My use of "exit fee" seems to be muddling things
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:35 PM ET
Only FSU calls it a penalty, Others call it a valuation of
vtfaninnc • 02/26/24 08:04 PM ET
Were any of those subject to a GOR like this one?
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 01:22 PM ET
You probably want to do........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:20 PM ET
The big rock is the GOR, not the exit fee.**
Stech • 02/23/24 01:02 PM ET
The GOR and exit cost are tied together
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:14 PM ET
I’m sorry but I just have to laugh at your declarative statement…
lawhokie • 02/24/24 08:24 PM ET
You make statements.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:53 PM ET
See my post above. These are not my opinions. This is from the lawsuit
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:58 PM ET
They are your.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:11 PM ET
I'm not trying to litigate the case here
HokieAl • 02/23/24 02:36 PM ET
I agree.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:45 PM ET
The others sited had little if any GOR left, the situations are miles apart**
Stech • 02/23/24 01:21 PM ET
And why should the ACC agree to take one penny less than the full amount?
HokieNoVA • 02/23/24 12:07 PM ET
Because (1) they dont want to risk going to trial (2) no ACC leaders want
133193Hokie • 02/23/24 05:14 PM ET
so you think they would forfeit hundreds of millions instead of testifying?
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:14 PM ET
Settle for $250m or run the risk of loosing and discovery (who knows
133193Hokie • 02/26/24 09:52 AM ET
What can FSU reasonably find?
VTCALS72 • 02/26/24 12:40 PM ET
I don’t think they want the discovery or hassle with a trial. **
Millpoint • 02/23/24 01:32 PM ET
The trial would definitely be a hassle, but we're talking about $200-300mil
HokieNoVA • 02/23/24 02:17 PM ET
Yep, if it isn't a class action by all members against the league then I
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:17 PM ET
Your last paragraph......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:33 PM ET
I think there is truth in that......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:40 PM ET
Only reason I can think of is to get it all up front instead of spreading
reestuart • 02/23/24 12:34 PM ET
Because an imbecile made that decision?**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:11 PM ET
I know a lot of persons want that proved
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 05:19 PM ET
200 million would be about 12.5 million per school (16 teams)
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 11:03 AM ET
So basically a Fuente buyout lol
Vippie1 • 02/23/24 04:14 PM ET
FSU has already been lost........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 12:48 PM ET
Agreed. They are afraid of tanking again. Hence their hurry.
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:30 AM ET
Be more than their rallying CRY**
MrFantastic! • 02/23/24 08:45 AM ET
Counter with $290 mil
obguthr • 02/23/24 07:07 AM ET
Counter with $500M
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 10:17 AM ET
Seems like it would be better for ESPN to up FSU's payout.
Truthahn • 02/24/24 08:41 AM ET
I know what you are saying,.......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 10:28 AM ET
FSU will find out that the Big10 plays hardball
mrcaniac • 02/23/24 10:33 PM ET
The irony ........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:46 PM ET
Come to think about it, lets counter with $5B and start the negotiations...
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 10:24 AM ET
The B12, PAC, and ACC have already been insulted. Take what you can. **
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 10:18 AM ET
That is good advice.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:36 AM ET
I'm not smart enough to know what the floor is, as the
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 10:40 AM ET
I agree about FSU........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 10:50 AM ET
$350 million?
TerryD • 02/23/24 11:49 AM ET
And - what FSU would be willing to pay. **
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:05 PM ET
Who cares. We own their broadcast rights for the next decade**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:10 PM ET
If they are unwilling to pay a settlement, then this could go to trial.
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:19 PM ET
Why? What is risky considering not only FSU but Clemson etc as well.**
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:30 PM ET
No, it's not where the schools may end up, it's the GOR, contracts,
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 06:44 PM ET
Which is why it is going to be a hard sell
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:54 PM ET
Just takes one judge or jury. We do not know what we don't know. If
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 07:13 PM ET
So if GOR is attacked and the Big 10 does not want theirs attacked
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 07:20 PM ET
You're fooling.......
2hhoop3 • 02/24/24 09:45 PM ET
FSU stays in the ACC if the BIG and SEC say that. I wish
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 09:21 PM ET
Screw that! Lets go to trial in NC, not FL**
EDGEMAN • 02/23/24 12:32 PM ET
While i understand where you are coming from, check out the link
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 12:36 PM ET
The salty over the substance ◄
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:41 PM ET
I agree with you on the future of the ACC and B12. The only way the B12
Big12 guy • 02/24/24 06:52 PM ET
Ok, my speculation is
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 07:09 PM ET
The whole ESPN thing is not material to the core lawsuit
HokieAl • 02/23/24 01:04 PM ET
True now compare that to what the PAC was
VTCALS72 • 02/24/24 06:52 PM ET
I think there are two things going on here. The FSU suit, and
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:07 PM ET
The ACC schools signed the contract, they know what’s in it, why do they
Stech • 02/23/24 12:59 PM ET
I'm not sure what, if anything the ACC would be afraid of, but ESPN
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:06 PM ET
PAC got nothing, B12 hasn’t gotten anything, ACC contract isn’t going to
Stech • 02/23/24 01:16 PM ET
There may be mouthpieces for Yormark or the B12 out there. but
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 01:36 PM ET
The henchmen........
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 02:22 PM ET
I agree the P2/ Networks are mostly making this happen, but this Yormark &
Stech • 02/23/24 02:10 PM ET
It is much easier to push the red button and then say "Mea culpa" after the
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 02:10 PM ET
I'll take that argument to a larger issue. The playoff could
Big12 guy • 02/23/24 11:06 AM ET
You assume FSU is operating in a vacuum. And maybe they are
HokieAl • 02/23/24 12:34 PM ET
They will pay.......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 09:58 AM ET
There won't be any discovery because ESPN can't allow it.
33laszlo99 • 02/23/24 11:22 AM ET
Im sure you do predict that
Hokie83 • 02/23/24 12:38 PM ET
Shockingly we disagree again......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 11:57 AM ET
Do you think those dates are meaningless? I think they are critical.
33laszlo99 • 02/23/24 03:24 PM ET
Those dates are not meaningless......
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 04:08 PM ET
I hope it gets nastier. Personal enjoyment increases.**
saret • 02/23/24 11:18 AM ET
Very few on Flugar want to admit that fact
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 08:51 AM ET
I don't think they care about pissing off the ACC, SEC and ESPN.
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 10:54 AM ET
Good points and more, just a thought but do remember the
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 01:16 PM ET
Given that Northerners and Midwesterners appear to be relocating to the
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 04:54 PM ET
I personally don't think that translates to college associated sports**
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 06:52 PM ET
Why not? If Wisconsin is playing FSU, then you don't believe a Wisky fan
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:25 PM ET
To me college sports are just a different animal and
VTCALS72 • 02/23/24 07:32 PM ET
Except FSU isn't gaining any Big Ten fans though. Those people are tuning
VTHokie2000 • 02/23/24 07:44 PM ET
The ACC.....
2hhoop3 • 02/23/24 01:30 PM ET
Oh the Irony.
HOO86 • 02/23/24 01:14 PM ET
I find it hard to believe that the B1G won't take more from the South or
Maroon Baboon • 02/23/24 02:52 PM ET
Seems that way to me too
TerryD • 02/23/24 11:53 AM ET
There should be over 100 likes because this is the way to handle it
HOKIEGOBBLE • 02/23/24 09:43 AM ET