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Poultrygeist
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Do you think it’s Whit’s job to set out a vision to engage fans and alumni

and to create excitement thus cultivating giving and growing our donor base? Clemson a peer institution of ours does this very well. They are a smaller school with a less living alumni that make less money on average and in a smaller less affluent state. Yet they raise over 3 times the donor revenue than we do. That is on the VT athletic administration. That is on Whit. Do you think he is responsible for not knowing how far behind most of the power 5 we had fallen in football resources and facilities investment. Of course he is responsible. It’s his freaking job. Yet no one has held him accountable. Not Sands, not the board, not the high level donors and not the media. Where else can and AD of a major institution like VT get away with all of that and be allowed to hide from the public and not give interviews for 6-8 months at a time. Then stage a scripted interview with Bill Roth and go hide in his office again. Everyone that cares anything about Virginia Tech Athletics should be furious at the way the program has been mismanaged by Whit Babcock.
Posted: 01/31/2025 at 09:05 PM ET
(In response to this post by VTHokie2000)

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So was this extension a good thing for VT
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 09:47 AM ET
VT now controls its own fate in the short term
HokieAl • 01/31/25 04:37 PM ET
Scheduling could be a challenge forward
HouClone • 01/31/25 07:48 PM ET
Simple message and 100% on target**
mancunian • 01/31/25 04:46 PM ET
Apparently we voted for it, so yes?
daveinop • 01/31/25 03:50 PM ET
Unequal revenue is how all conferences should be run.
HouClone • 01/31/25 03:35 PM ET
History tells us that unequal revenue sharing is the beginning of the end-
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 05:10 PM ET
Disagree. Vandy will not be making Bama/Georgia money forever.**
Hardcore_Hokie • 01/31/25 05:33 PM ET
Not sure where I mentioned Vanderbilt. My point was that-
Baltimore_Hokie • 02/03/25 10:38 AM ET
2 positives. IMO.
Maroon Baboon • 01/31/25 01:53 PM ET
I don't think VT has a landing spot in the P2 at this point.
RandomAsianGuy • 01/31/25 12:26 PM ET
While the University Brand and size is excellent Athletic Dept ????
1947Sunbowl • 01/31/25 04:32 PM ET
My personal stupid opinion is that there will be a "buy your way in" option
Hokie Fiji • 01/31/25 03:43 PM ET
This is what all the Big East football programs were thinking, I'm sure.
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 03:25 PM ET
True
obguthr • 01/31/25 03:22 PM ET
You are correct we don’t bring anything to the p2.
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 12:32 PM ET
In a word yes. For the lesser programs like VT it preserves the conference
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 11:54 AM ET
There are zero positives for VT in the extension. Everything is worse.
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 11:30 AM ET
This is so dumb
SpeakToDamien • 01/31/25 11:39 PM ET
"Viewership" almost certainly will be based on some sort of normalized
Vippie1 • 01/31/25 04:50 PM ET
Giving two of those three a ND every year means their viewer numbers will..
EDGEMAN • 01/31/25 05:08 PM ET
No matter how much lipstick you try to put on this pig-
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 05:03 PM ET
So you think VT is a below average ACC brand and will be a net subsidizing
Vippie1 • 01/31/25 05:42 PM ET
Go real quick and count how many times VT has played on network TV, ESPN-
Baltimore_Hokie • 02/03/25 10:35 AM ET
Disaster, no positives?
Vippie1 • 01/31/25 03:47 PM ET
Like what, exactly? Let's hear it.**
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 04:01 PM ET
Eventually those teams wanted by ESPN etc will go.
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 02:45 PM ET
Clearly, there's no real other options for VT "right now," today, 1/31/2025
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 03:19 PM ET
If/When the football brands leave the ACC, the ACC may end up using this
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 04:06 PM ET
That would track with history.
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 04:27 PM ET
Maybe the football schools should dust off the Metro Conference name.
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 04:31 PM ET
Ah, the Metro. The original all-sports Super Conference.
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 04:41 PM ET
Some potentials reasons why an ACC school may not want to join the Big XII
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 07:30 PM ET
I don't think any of that is necessarily wrong. I do think-
Baltimore_Hokie • 02/03/25 10:44 AM ET
I agree with the Big XII schools aren't going to leave to join the ACC.
VTHokie2000 • 02/06/25 09:53 AM ET
The 2036 date is bad, really bad unless your goal
Big12 guy • 02/03/25 02:33 PM ET
What you miss is the B12 is now just like the acc will be once
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:33 PM ET
With respect, I certainly do, and that is not because I live
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 04:06 PM ET
I hate to break this to you, but there is no "our ACC brothers."
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 03:57 PM ET
Some day you will have to acknowledge VT was never going to be one of
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 07:07 PM ET
Yes, Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Vanderbilt-
Baltimore_Hokie • 02/03/25 10:32 AM ET
VT plays more games on ACCN because VT stinks.
hokieZ71 • 01/31/25 01:07 PM ET
That’s the price you pay for sucking and underperforming for 15+ years.
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 12:00 PM ET
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Maroon Baboon • 01/31/25 01:42 PM ET
VT's management issues probably goes back to the JW days because VT didn't
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:39 PM ET
Compared to Whit, JW was a juggernaut in outreach and
saret • 01/31/25 10:08 PM ET
How would anyone know how much carpe there was to diem?**
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 02:53 PM ET
How do you keep defending Whit doing his job? Is there anything you ....
Atlee Hokie • 02/01/25 07:08 AM ET
That is why leadership gets paid the big bucks. An organization can either
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:03 PM ET
Yeah, demand increased under JW. Whit's killing it. I was not a
saret • 01/31/25 10:12 PM ET
Was the fact the donors did not rocket to new levels, the admin
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:16 PM ET
After Whit took over, it was his fault.
Atlee Hokie • 02/01/25 04:14 AM ET
Now here is something real put out there
VTCALS72 • 02/01/25 08:46 AM ET
It was the admin not knowing how to fundraise.**
NokieHokie • 01/31/25 03:37 PM ET
Except I was talking about the early 2000s when JW was in charge. There
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:28 PM ET
I totally agree. It does go back that far. However that doesn’t let Whit
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 02:10 PM ET
Ahhh so your take is Whit screwed up by not seeing the future $$$$ needs
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 02:59 PM ET
It probably doesn't let them off the hook. However, I will say it may be
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 02:37 PM ET
That is largely ......
2hhoop3 • 01/31/25 02:49 PM ET
The runway wasn't long enough for VT to pivot quickly to the changes that
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 02:54 PM ET
You're entitled to .......
2hhoop3 • 01/31/25 03:02 PM ET
If VT had been more proactive in the early 2000s, then it would have been
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:16 PM ET
IF.....
2hhoop3 • 01/31/25 03:24 PM ET
Both Babcock & Weaver are responsible. And the Hokie Club. And Frank Beamer**
NokieHokie • 01/31/25 03:39 PM ET
Babcock can only play the hand that he was dealt. I don't disagree that
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:34 PM ET
Do you think it’s Whit’s job to set out a vision to engage fans and alumni ◄
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 09:05 PM ET
I do think it is the role of the AD, since the person is head of the
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 10:38 PM ET
IMO, Whit has done and is doing more damage to VT athletics than ...
Atlee Hokie • 01/31/25 10:00 PM ET
This!
RJHokie • 01/31/25 09:48 PM ET
That is a.....
2hhoop3 • 01/31/25 03:41 PM ET
I think the extension is probably neutral for VT because it has some
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 10:08 AM ET
It buys time for now, which is a good thing. Out here in the
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 10:58 AM ET
Does it really buy any time though? As I noted in my response below, teams
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 11:06 AM ET
Wake and BC, along with VT and probably 50 more are just not relevant to
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:09 PM ET
Is there even a level between P2 and G5?**
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:17 PM ET
That is what the B12 AND ACC are fighting to have, something better than G5**
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:20 PM ET
Are you sure they haven't already lost the war before the first shot was
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:29 PM ET
This is the piece many miss on this topic. There isn’t a direct correlation
Femoyer Hokie • 01/31/25 11:58 AM ET
Spot on**
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:21 PM ET
I disagree and point to Indiana and SMU as examples
Hardcore_Hokie • 01/31/25 03:04 PM ET
There is a difference between relevance and brand.
Femoyer Hokie • 01/31/25 03:52 PM ET
VT already has an established brand. If VT wins, the brand just gets on TV
hokieZ71 • 01/31/25 01:41 PM ET
Yup. The VT brand in football is strong.
Hardcore_Hokie • 01/31/25 05:21 PM ET
I don't think it is any easier because IMHO the VT brand is not as big
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:25 PM ET
You are right that is all a school can control at this time. If 2031 is
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:03 PM ET
Probably not in the ACC.**
Femoyer Hokie • 01/31/25 12:10 PM ET
The expanded playoff changes that. if it's a game for a spot
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 12:01 PM ET
Yes. It will garner attention. Often mostly due to the opponent. And just
Femoyer Hokie • 01/31/25 12:09 PM ET
How long did it take for Boise State to build its brand though?**
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:04 PM ET
You have to start somewhere. The NFL determines their schedule
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 12:19 PM ET
Given that schedules are agreed upon years in advance, leaving 1-2 open
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:25 PM ET
What if there was a scheduling contract between conferences where only
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 12:38 PM ET
Unless the opponent would be locked in for 2 years, then it becomes an
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:43 PM ET
ACC has home games one year, the B12 has the home games the next. It
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 01:26 PM ET
I doubt the ACC is even playing for the next contract because some of the
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 01:46 PM ET
Establish that the entire conference get the home games
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 12:48 PM ET
I doubt majority of the ADs will buy into that idea though because the
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:55 PM ET
It's about the TV. Attendance isn't a problem for the B12, no matter who
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 12:58 PM ET
I did find this website which has pictures from 2021. If you scroll down
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 01:52 PM ET
KU and Houston do not sell out. With the new stadium,
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 04:14 PM ET
My point though is will those stadiums be consistently full if the ACC
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 04:18 PM ET
Yes, they would be full, and I don't know about the younger
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 05:02 PM ET
It has been years and even decades since BC, GT, Pitt, and Syracuse have
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 07:41 PM ET
I understand that ratings is driving things. However, it doesn't mean ADs
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 01:39 PM ET
We don't know the details of the "list of 3". there has just been one
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 11:17 AM ET
I would be very surprised if the list is dynamic for a couple reasons.
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 11:28 AM ET
I will be disappointed if it's not dynamic, but if that is what
Big12 guy • 01/31/25 11:36 AM ET
Given that the group, who benefits the most from this change, is small, the
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 12:18 PM ET
You're one of the only folks on here that I can tell really gets "it."**
Baltimore_Hokie • 01/31/25 03:31 PM ET
Thanks. It may help that I was one of the few people on here who thought
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 03:37 PM ET
Playing ND less often hurts VT's football image.
EDGEMAN • 01/31/25 10:53 AM ET
VT’s administration has done plenty to diminish VT. We are now getting
Poultrygeist • 01/31/25 12:07 PM ET
So what part did the VT admin play in diminishing us
VTCALS72 • 01/31/25 03:18 PM ET
Plus, it does not give the other schools any real incentive to improve
VTHokie2000 • 01/31/25 10:54 AM ET