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VTHokie2000
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VTHokie2000

I don't disagree with the premise that football probably shouldn't be

included with the Athletic Department at this point. The justification will need to be more sound than that to pass any of the legal tests. You can bet the decision will face legal challenges. Particularly if their only argument is women's sports don't have a version of football. Heck I believe there may have been cases back in the '70s and '80s that tried to make that same argument and they lost at the time. I found a couple examples. Favia vs. Indiana University of PA (1993) - The university cut women's gymnastics and field hockey. The plaintiffs (female athletes) challenged the cuts. The university attempted to argue that football should be excluded from Title IX scrutiny, implying it was special and separate from the gender equity mandate. The court rejected this argument, refusing to exclude football. The court found that if a university fails to provide equal athletic opportunities, it cannot ignore the massive impact of its largest men's team (football) on the overall participation numbers. The court signaled that "total equality" requires counting all athletes. Cohen vs. Brown University (1993-96) - Brown cut funding for both men's and women's teams. A central issue in this landmark case was whether the large number of male football players (even if they were not all scholarship athletes) should be counted when determining if participation opportunities were proportional to student enrollment. The First Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that for Title IX purposes, football players are indeed participants in intercollegiate athletics, and they must be included in the proportionality calculation. Excluding them would make it nearly impossible to hold schools accountable for gender equity. ** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 3/26/2026, 1:12:16 PM
Posted: 03/26/2026 at 01:06 PM ET
(In response to this post by Big12 guy)

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Theory..ND decides who goes to P2
lord4bid • 03/26/26 06:59 AM ET
TerryD says there is no chance ND joins B10, this is click bait, it worked,
Stech • 03/27/26 06:44 PM ET
so dumb, not you or the opinion but what college sports have become
VT Pez4Life • 03/26/26 09:06 AM ET
If football breaks away, then what does that legally mean for Title IX
VTHokie2000 • 03/26/26 09:16 AM ET
Title IX works if football becomes a business entity separate from schools
HokieAl • 03/26/26 09:39 AM ET
Makes sense. Wouldn't the start up capital come the university though?
VTHokie2000 • 03/26/26 11:26 AM ET
If there is legislation at the Federal level, and football
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 10:18 AM ET
But that is why is needed to be included in with the law. Remember the
VTHokie2000 • 03/26/26 11:40 AM ET
Maybe, but it will justify separating football from
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 12:32 PM ET
I don't disagree with the premise that football probably shouldn't be ◄
VTHokie2000 • 03/26/26 01:06 PM ET
That is why it would take legislation to change it. For
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 01:49 PM ET
Historically Congress doesn't want to touch the issue for political reasons
VTHokie2000 • 03/26/26 03:28 PM ET
Title IX works perfectly without football. **
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 09:26 AM ET
I like this part better (if ACC collapses)
TerryD • 03/26/26 07:12 AM ET
Ryan who?
RandomAsianGuy • 03/26/26 01:02 PM ET
Sorry Rando. I disagree with all three points.
33laszlo99 • 03/26/26 02:05 PM ET
You are entitled to your opinion.
RandomAsianGuy • 03/27/26 01:02 PM ET
The more realistic questions.....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 02:11 PM ET
ND’s 6-game arrangement would be a headache for Sankey.
RandomAsianGuy • 03/28/26 03:31 PM ET
Doesn't matter about how strong the SEC is/will be
TerryD • 03/26/26 04:56 PM ET
Notre Dame football isn’t really independent anymore
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:23 PM ET
It is not football conference membership, either
TerryD • 03/26/26 05:43 PM ET
The sooner ND is truly on its own, the better for all concerned
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:51 PM ET
The do not share their revenue. That is independence. **
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 05:30 PM ET
They also don’t capture all of it on their own terms as they once did**
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:31 PM ET
I am sure that is true.....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 05:09 PM ET
I think ND is taking steps to improve SOS, i.e., Clemson X 12 yrs
33laszlo99 • 03/26/26 04:49 PM ET
This is a very good point. If
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 02:25 PM ET
Tell me you’ve never competed in the Big East without telling me . . . .
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:30 PM ET
They are peer catholic schools. If they are indeed that
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 05:34 PM ET
LOL. Notre Dame doesn’t think it has peers. And Butler isn’t one for sure.**
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:43 PM ET
At least it only takes a bus to play Butler. **
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 06:02 PM ET
Maybe they can borrow the bus from Hoosiers
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 06:07 PM ET
If you knew the history, ND was in
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 06:10 PM ET
Thank you for enlightening us oh great KU person
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 06:53 PM ET
Haha, my point, is that where the Olympics land
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 07:06 PM ET
It’s only relevant if you think like most SEC and Big 12 schools
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 07:50 PM ET
That may be true. They may think more
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 08:08 PM ET
It’s not “we” who forget, it’s the university CEOs who forget
Tailgate Guru • 03/27/26 09:39 AM ET
Agree with a large portion of that .....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 02:33 PM ET
Olympic sports are a very small concern for ND
TerryD • 03/26/26 02:40 PM ET
Which is why ND’s value to the ACC is vastly overrated
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:33 PM ET
No problems, then
TerryD • 03/26/26 05:45 PM ET
Gladly
Tailgate Guru • 03/26/26 05:57 PM ET
It would save ND exit fees
TerryD • 03/26/26 10:05 PM ET
Oh, I would prefer to take ND’s money when it leaves
Tailgate Guru • 03/27/26 09:48 AM ET
The B12 will take those games, hands down. **
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 06:13 PM ET
Never said Olympics were....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 02:46 PM ET
If they needed a home, it's not a
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 02:36 PM ET
No idea......
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 02:41 PM ET
To my knowledge, ND is not part of that**
TerryD • 03/26/26 02:40 PM ET
Time will tell.....
TerryD • 03/26/26 01:16 PM ET
Right now...the SEC is killing it in viewership
lord4bid • 03/26/26 09:37 AM ET
Notre Lame......
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 10:11 AM ET
The ACC games.....
TerryD • 03/26/26 12:56 PM ET
ND and their....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 01:21 PM ET
I think this all comes down to NBC, Peacock, and
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 09:04 AM ET
Here is the rest of his Tweet
TerryD • 03/26/26 07:15 AM ET
this is crazy & delusional stuff
Vippie1 • 03/26/26 11:16 AM ET
all 3 would get on ground instantly for deal with ND**
MrFantastic! • 03/26/26 12:15 PM ET
Would you expect.....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 11:20 AM ET
Lol, he is a BYU fan
TerryD • 03/26/26 12:59 PM ET
i'm not sure what allegiance's he has but even a ND fan should be able
Vippie1 • 03/26/26 01:28 PM ET
Not my fight
TerryD • 03/26/26 01:34 PM ET
A person can have......
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 01:18 PM ET
They got the 4 corners right. **
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 01:58 PM ET
Where else.....
2hhoop3 • 03/26/26 02:03 PM ET
Actually, I don't watch them, nothing but click bait
Big12 guy • 03/26/26 02:06 PM ET