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Yep. Neither the PAC or ACC offered a lifeboat, even for Kansas. It

was elitism through and through.
Posted: 07/02/2025 at 09:00 PM ET
(In response to this post by Maroon Baboon)

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So do you think the Power Hungry 2, will destroy College Football?!?!?!
Stech • 07/01/25 09:36 PM ET
Cause of P2, NFL pulls so far ahead, whole thing becomes jocular**
MrBayAreaHokie • 07/03/25 07:44 PM ET
Will destroy? They already have. **
HokieToph • 07/03/25 03:29 PM ET
There is not much left to destroy **
Tailgate Guru • 07/03/25 08:05 AM ET
What can they do?**
HokiesACC2004 • 07/03/25 05:46 AM ET
No. They are finished.**
VT ChemE 1986 • 07/02/25 02:50 PM ET
What do the other 8 really have to "stand up against them."
VTCALS72 • 07/02/25 08:29 AM ET
Remember "The Alliance"?
Maroon Baboon • 07/02/25 11:42 AM ET
In my opinion, the government should not be involved.
MP4VT2004 • 07/03/25 06:03 PM ET
It only failed because the B10 was insincere.
Truthahn • 07/02/25 01:02 PM ET
The Big Ten went to the Dark Side really fast.
Maroon Baboon • 07/02/25 07:50 PM ET
They always were on the Dark Side.
Truthahn • 07/03/25 04:07 PM ET
There was no help for the B12 when they were on the ropes. **
Big12 guy • 07/02/25 07:54 PM ET
The ACC and Pac-12 thought that their academic elitism would save them.
Maroon Baboon • 07/02/25 08:03 PM ET
No one ever thought "academic elitism" was going
Pylons • 07/04/25 01:03 PM ET
I agree that it's nonsensical. But what other reason would "the Alliance"
Maroon Baboon • 07/04/25 06:41 PM ET
Yep. Neither the PAC or ACC offered a lifeboat, even for Kansas. It ◄
Big12 guy • 07/02/25 09:00 PM ET
It wasn’t elitism. Hubris maybe, but mainly it was pure ignorance.
hokieZ71 • 07/03/25 10:52 AM ET
Both the ACC and PAC would be in a better position if they
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 11:00 AM ET
Yep, the ACC and the PAC could have both survived as east and west.
Truthahn • 07/03/25 04:28 PM ET
Doesn't that assume all members of the Pac-12 wanted to see the conference
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 12:15 PM ET
Yep, they were too chicken to vote against the wishes of USC.
Truthahn • 07/03/25 04:31 PM ET
That's a good point. USC was leaving, and had asked
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 12:36 PM ET
If at least 1 school is leaving and it is the "right school" (however you
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 12:38 PM ET
Except they tried really hard to get a media deal and
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 12:53 PM ET
Except they tried really hard to get a media deal and
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 12:45 PM ET
You vastly overestimate......
2hhoop3 • 07/03/25 12:52 PM ET
I don't think the B10 really wanted Oregon and UW at that time.
Truthahn • 07/03/25 04:34 PM ET
The post talked......
2hhoop3 • 07/03/25 04:57 PM ET
That is fair, as any school not in the BIG would accept an invitation, but
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 01:01 PM ET
I think the PAC.....
2hhoop3 • 07/03/25 01:19 PM ET
Maybe you are right. I'm not sure what "value" the networks place on TT,
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 12:49 PM ET
Umm, KU is on par with UNC, Duke, while a blue blood as well, doesn't
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 01:05 PM ET
The thing that helps the Big 12 viewership is the Central time zone.
HouClone • 07/03/25 01:20 PM ET
Given the change in the landscape, I don't know if the networks still share
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 01:18 PM ET
KU doesn't have the football, but
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 01:25 PM ET
The fact that the Big Ten vetted KU and passed on them (for now) may
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 01:48 PM ET
Maybe, but they built the new stadium after they were vetted. **
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 02:12 PM ET
Time will tell if the Big Ten has any interest in vetting KU again or not.
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 02:25 PM ET
I'm OK with that. Except for the playoff money
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 03:02 PM ET
The B10 was sincere about their "me first and me only" attitude.**
VTCALS72 • 07/02/25 03:23 PM ET
Big Ten probably had a few meetings and decided they were meeting w/idiots.**
reestuart • 07/02/25 01:46 PM ET
Ha ha ha…**
VT ChemE 1986 • 07/02/25 02:51 PM ET
Do you ever get tired of being a hopeless Chicken Little that's ready to-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 09:49 AM ET
You need a reset. I am not a hopeless Chicken Little, you are a Don Quixote
VTCALS72 • 07/02/25 10:27 AM ET
Ok, PeePaw. You better calm down; you don't want to be all riled up-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 03:11 PM ET
It needs to be a national coverage sport to keep the demand high
SpeakToDamien • 07/02/25 09:42 AM ET
I'd love that to be true, but if you look at the top 10-20-even 50 rated
reestuart • 07/02/25 12:13 PM ET
It does not need to be anything but the product that the media etc. see
VTCALS72 • 07/02/25 10:34 AM ET
What made college football different
grosehokie • 07/04/25 12:55 AM ET
You have to understand that this guy thinks VT should be playing football-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 09:50 AM ET
Dumb**
SpeakToDamien • 07/02/25 07:30 PM ET
And you totally fail to heed Clint Eastwood's 2nd famous line
VTCALS72 • 07/02/25 10:44 AM ET
LOL, OK. If you were a football coach, you wouldn't let your team take the-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 03:12 PM ET
While a little over the top, one phrase does apply to VT,
saret • 07/02/25 11:22 AM ET
I don't think they are destroying it, but they are changing to suit
reestuart • 07/02/25 07:58 AM ET
The answer is simple….Don’t schedule the P2 & don’t participate in playoff
CrystalCoveHokie • 07/02/25 12:43 AM ET
I think there is something to this.
Truthahn • 07/03/25 04:42 PM ET
That won't happen **
HokiesACC2004 • 07/03/25 05:48 AM ET
Of course not….The ADs, presidents and the BOT/BOVs are sheep…..**
CrystalCoveHokie • 07/03/25 01:06 PM ET
Been saying this since the BS started. It's the leverage that-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 09:42 AM ET
And how exactly would you do that?
cburgroop • 07/02/25 02:10 PM ET
It's called solidarity. You freeze the SEC and Big 10 out. You force them-
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/02/25 03:08 PM ET
The TV contracts without P2 wouldn’t generate enough value.
Red Hokie • 07/04/25 08:18 AM ET
The idea would not be to make more money. It would be to de-value the P2.
Baltimore_Hokie • 07/07/25 09:52 AM ET
I think they already have. **
Big12 guy • 07/01/25 09:48 PM ET
Yeah, it’s about done.
hokieZ71 • 07/01/25 10:08 PM ET
C'mon, Texas State in the PAC makes perfect sense. **
Big12 guy • 07/01/25 10:20 PM ET
Yes. Texas St fits perfectly into the PAC, IMO.
Truthahn • 07/02/25 12:50 PM ET
makes as much as a USC vs Maryland conf game**
MrFantastic! • 07/02/25 07:45 AM ET
The flaw with that comparison is that both USC and UMD were already at the
VTHokie2000 • 07/02/25 12:53 PM ET
MD was drastic needing money. TEXAS ST about the same**
MrFantastic! • 07/02/25 03:26 PM ET
I don't disagree with you about UMD. However, my point is that UMD was
VTHokie2000 • 07/02/25 03:52 PM ET
I'm a MAC fan from way back. I don't get the infatuation with the Sun Belt.**
Big12 guy • 07/02/25 07:29 PM ET
I have thought of 2 potential explanations. First, the Sun Belt has fully
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 01:08 AM ET
Well, I wasn't trying to compare the MAC to the Sun Belt, just using
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 06:44 AM ET
IMHO, the Sun Belt has improved the most among the G-5's.
Old Line Hokie • 07/03/25 10:40 AM ET
The AAC is holding strong, and if they continue
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 10:48 AM ET
Northern Illinois, which is leaving the MAC to join the MWC as a
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 08:30 AM ET
Considering that FBS member ship was closer to 100 than the 138 today,
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 08:58 AM ET
Remember an important requirement for a school to switch from DI-FCS to
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 09:37 AM ET
You might be right on the expense after the settlement. Common
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 09:50 AM ET
I don't disagree that the Gs believe being a member of DI-FBS in football
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 10:08 AM ET
I agree with most of that. Frankly, I'd be way OK with
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 10:22 AM ET
The schools have some important decisions to make as the NCAA re-org
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 10:31 AM ET
No doubt. I also think that the P2 doesn't want to
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 10:38 AM ET
Maybe not. However, the P2s may not be able to have their cake and eat it
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 11:10 AM ET
The P2 will not willingly give up their money or
Big12 guy • 07/03/25 11:30 AM ET
I agree the P2s won't give up either. Hence why I was suggesting that they
VTHokie2000 • 07/03/25 12:07 PM ET
Imagine USC's volleyball team traveling to New Jersey - wait-
Big12 guy • 07/02/25 08:28 AM ET