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VTHokie2000
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I'm not following your math. 9 conference games + 3 OOC games still equals

12 regular season games. My point is that the P2 schools would have play either 9 conference games + 2 OOC games or 8 conference games + 3 OOC games to create an open date on the current regular season schedule to play a conference semi-final round in football. Even if the P2 schools were willing to play 11 regular season games and give up 1-2 OOC games (depending on whether they play 8 or 9 conference games), it still may require changing at least 1 of the bylaws (17.11.6.1(b)). Below are the bylaws which are the basis for why I said what I did in the previous post. 17.11.5 End of Playing Season. [FBS/FCS] A member institution's last contest (game or scrimmage) with outside competition in football shall not be played after the second Saturday or the following Sunday in December, except for the following: (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/90, 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 1/16/93, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 8/5/99, 4/27/06, 12/15/06, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective 4/1/12, 6/8/15) (b) Postseason Games, NCAA and NAIA Championships, International Competition and Celebration Bowl. Permissible postseason games that meet the requirements of Bylaw 18.7 and the NCAA postseason football handbook or those games played in the Division I Football Championship; football contests played on a foreign tour certified by the member institution; or the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics football championships. In championship subdivision football only, a member institution's last contest also may include participation in the Celebration Bowl. 17.11.6 Number of Contests. [FBS/FCS] 17.11.6.1 Maximum Limitations -- Institutional. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 12 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. In championship subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 11 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. Twelve football contests shall be permissible during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November (e.g., 2024, 2025). (Revised: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/02, 8/5/99 effective 8/1/02, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06) 17.11.6.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS] 17.11.6.2.1 Bowl Subdivision. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, the maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following: (Revised: 1/10/90, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective 4/1/12, Adopted: 8/2/12 effective 8/1/14, 1/15/16 effective 8/1/16, 5/18/22) (b) Conference Championship Game. One conference championship game; (c) Bowl Games. One postseason game that meets the requirements of Bylaw 18.7 and the NCAA postseason football handbook; (d) Additional Football Bowl Subdivision Postseason Game. One postseason game between the winners of two exempted postseason bowl games per Bylaw 17.11.6.2.1-(c). The participants in the two post-season bowl games will be selected by Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and independent institutions. g) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico, respectively, either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the areas in question; 17.31.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest. Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.11.6.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association. ** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 7/15/2024, 4:22:04 PM
Posted: 07/15/2024 at 04:16 PM ET
(In response to this post by hokieZ71)

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Real news: Greg Sankey speaks the words “Contiguous States”
hokieZ71 07/15/24 01:17 PM ET
Sankey Never Shut the Door on Future SEC Expansion
WarHog38 07/15/24 04:49 PM ET
This conference would still be a heck of a conference...
jesuisvtguy 07/15/24 04:04 PM ET
Such a conference would need to be small to get per school payouts
obguthr 07/16/24 09:53 AM ET
Not a bad idea but think your bottom feeder teams section is off
HouClone 07/15/24 05:13 PM ET
I meant those teams are better than bottom feeders of other conferences...
jesuisvtguy 07/15/24 05:22 PM ET
I have said it over and over
cvillehokie92 07/15/24 02:12 PM ET
The football "wars" are over - except for ND. No ones brings any
133193Hokie 07/15/24 03:19 PM ET
So there would be no expansion in your scenario
cvillehokie92 07/15/24 04:14 PM ET
No. There will probably be P2 expansion but
133193Hokie 07/15/24 07:40 PM ET
****test******
MikeVT85 11/05/24 04:34 AM ET
Still not following the UVA & UNC logic
VT ChemE 1986 07/15/24 02:01 PM ET
If the SEC thinks they have all the good football they need then
VTCALS72 07/15/24 03:26 PM ET
you think a basketball program is going to add
cvillehokie92 07/15/24 04:18 PM ET
Not what I think, just trying to read what the SEC may be thinking with
VTCALS72 07/15/24 06:22 PM ET
We are Virginia's university. We have anywhere from 3X-6X the number...
EDGEMAN 07/16/24 05:16 AM ET
Understand UNC completely, but not UVA
VPI_1998 07/15/24 02:53 PM ET
Agree. I don't like it, but reality is that UNC is a very valuable brand
HokieNoVA 07/15/24 06:41 PM ET
out of VT, UVA, NCST and UNC, I would think UVA is the least likely
VPI_1998 07/15/24 07:35 PM ET
No Offense Taken, Bad is Just the Truth About Arkansas
WarHog38 07/15/24 10:11 PM ET
Addressed this below.
hokieZ71 07/15/24 02:15 PM ET
Does he want to let the B1X take the premier school in Virginia?
EDGEMAN 07/15/24 01:33 PM ET
I’ve just got the feeling that it’s FSU/Clem to B1G and all 4 NC/VA to SEC
hokieZ71 07/15/24 02:13 PM ET
I believe the SEC has decided to eliminate the divisions and switch to
VTHokie2000 07/15/24 03:36 PM ET
Sure, they’re at 16. When a conference is at 20 they can’t easily do that.
hokieZ71 07/15/24 03:48 PM ET
Unless every team is willing to play 11 regular season games, then your
VTHokie2000 07/15/24 03:53 PM ET
At 9 conference games I’d assume they’d drop a non conference opponent
hokieZ71 07/15/24 03:56 PM ET
I'm not following your math. 9 conference games + 3 OOC games still equals
VTHokie2000 07/15/24 04:16 PM ET
Lots of rules. Nice.
hokieZ71 07/15/24 04:30 PM ET
That is a possibility. One crucial detail that would probably need to be
VTHokie2000 07/15/24 08:55 PM ET