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I'm not following your math. 9 conference games + 3 OOC games still equals
12 regular season games. My point is that the P2 schools would have play either 9 conference games + 2 OOC games or 8 conference games + 3 OOC games to create an open date on the current regular season schedule to play a conference semi-final round in football. Even if the P2 schools were willing to play 11 regular season games and give up 1-2 OOC games (depending on whether they play 8 or 9 conference games), it still may require changing at least 1 of the bylaws (17.11.6.1(b)). Below are the bylaws which are the basis for why I said what I did in the previous post.
17.11.5 End of Playing Season. [FBS/FCS] A member institution's last contest (game or scrimmage) with outside
competition in football shall not be played after the second Saturday or the following Sunday in December, except for the following: (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/90, 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 1/16/93, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 8/5/99, 4/27/06, 12/15/06, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective 4/1/12, 6/8/15)
(b) Postseason Games, NCAA and NAIA Championships, International Competition and Celebration Bowl.
Permissible postseason games that meet the requirements of Bylaw 18.7 and the NCAA postseason football handbook or those games played in the Division I Football Championship; football contests played on a foreign tour certified by the member institution; or the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics football championships. In championship subdivision football only, a member institution's last contest also may include participation in the Celebration Bowl.
17.11.6 Number of Contests. [FBS/FCS]
17.11.6.1 Maximum Limitations -- Institutional. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, a member institution shall
limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 12 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. In championship subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 11 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. Twelve football contests shall be permissible during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November (e.g., 2024, 2025). (Revised: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/02, 8/5/99 effective 8/1/02, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)
17.11.6.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS]
17.11.6.2.1 Bowl Subdivision. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, the maximum number of football contests shall
exclude the following: (Revised: 1/10/90, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective 4/1/12, Adopted: 8/2/12 effective 8/1/14, 1/15/16 effective 8/1/16, 5/18/22)
(b) Conference Championship Game. One conference championship game;
(c) Bowl Games. One postseason game that meets the requirements of Bylaw 18.7 and the NCAA postseason
football handbook;
(d) Additional Football Bowl Subdivision Postseason Game. One postseason game between the winners of
two exempted postseason bowl games per Bylaw 17.11.6.2.1-(c). The participants in the two post-season bowl
games will be selected by Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and independent institutions.
g) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico, respectively, either
against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a
Division I member institution located outside the areas in question;
17.31.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest. Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be
permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.11.6.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association.
** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 7/15/2024, 4:22:04 PM
Link:
NCAA DI Manual 2023-24
Thread Replies (29)
Real news: Greg Sankey speaks the words “Contiguous States”
-- hokieZ71
Jul 15, 2024 at 01:17 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/15/24 01:17 PM ET
Sankey Never Shut the Door on Future SEC Expansion
-- WarHog38
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:49 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/15/24 04:49 PM ET
This conference would still be a heck of a conference...
-- jesuisvtguy
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:04 PM ET
jesuisvtguy
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07/15/24 04:04 PM ET
Such a conference would need to be small to get per school payouts
-- obguthr
Jul 16, 2024 at 09:53 AM ET
obguthr
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07/16/24 09:53 AM ET
Not a bad idea but think your bottom feeder teams section is off
-- HouClone
Jul 15, 2024 at 05:13 PM ET
HouClone
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07/15/24 05:13 PM ET
I meant those teams are better than bottom feeders of other conferences...
-- jesuisvtguy
Jul 15, 2024 at 05:22 PM ET
jesuisvtguy
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07/15/24 05:22 PM ET
I have said it over and over
-- cvillehokie92
Jul 15, 2024 at 02:12 PM ET
cvillehokie92
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07/15/24 02:12 PM ET
The football "wars" are over - except for ND. No ones brings any
-- 133193Hokie
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:19 PM ET
133193Hokie
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07/15/24 03:19 PM ET
So there would be no expansion in your scenario
-- cvillehokie92
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:14 PM ET
cvillehokie92
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07/15/24 04:14 PM ET
No. There will probably be P2 expansion but
-- 133193Hokie
Jul 15, 2024 at 07:40 PM ET
133193Hokie
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07/15/24 07:40 PM ET
Still not following the UVA & UNC logic
-- VT ChemE 1986
Jul 15, 2024 at 02:01 PM ET
VT ChemE 1986
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07/15/24 02:01 PM ET
If the SEC thinks they have all the good football they need then
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:26 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 03:26 PM ET
you think a basketball program is going to add
-- cvillehokie92
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:18 PM ET
cvillehokie92
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07/15/24 04:18 PM ET
Not what I think, just trying to read what the SEC may be thinking with
-- VTCALS72
Jul 15, 2024 at 06:22 PM ET
VTCALS72
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07/15/24 06:22 PM ET
We are Virginia's university. We have anywhere from 3X-6X the number...
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 16, 2024 at 05:16 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/16/24 05:16 AM ET
Understand UNC completely, but not UVA
-- VPI_1998
Jul 15, 2024 at 02:53 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/15/24 02:53 PM ET
Agree. I don't like it, but reality is that UNC is a very valuable brand
-- HokieNoVA
Jul 15, 2024 at 06:41 PM ET
HokieNoVA
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07/15/24 06:41 PM ET
out of VT, UVA, NCST and UNC, I would think UVA is the least likely
-- VPI_1998
Jul 15, 2024 at 07:35 PM ET
VPI_1998
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07/15/24 07:35 PM ET
No Offense Taken, Bad is Just the Truth About Arkansas
-- WarHog38
Jul 15, 2024 at 10:11 PM ET
WarHog38
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07/15/24 10:11 PM ET
Does he want to let the B1X take the premier school in Virginia?
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 15, 2024 at 01:33 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/15/24 01:33 PM ET
I’ve just got the feeling that it’s FSU/Clem to B1G and all 4 NC/VA to SEC
-- hokieZ71
Jul 15, 2024 at 02:13 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/15/24 02:13 PM ET
I believe the SEC has decided to eliminate the divisions and switch to
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:36 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/15/24 03:36 PM ET
Sure, they’re at 16. When a conference is at 20 they can’t easily do that.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:48 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/15/24 03:48 PM ET
Unless every team is willing to play 11 regular season games, then your
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:53 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/15/24 03:53 PM ET
At 9 conference games I’d assume they’d drop a non conference opponent
-- hokieZ71
Jul 15, 2024 at 03:56 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/15/24 03:56 PM ET
I'm not following your math. 9 conference games + 3 OOC games still equals
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-- VTHokie2000
Jul 15, 2024 at 04:16 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/15/24 04:16 PM ET
That is a possibility. One crucial detail that would probably need to be
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 15, 2024 at 08:55 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/15/24 08:55 PM ET