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INSIDE99

The cost to get out

I enjoy sharing your views. Finding the highest number that FSU/Clemson will pay to get out and vice-versa the lowest number the ACC will accept is the prime reason for these lawsuits. From the FSU side, they absolutely are certain they have some upper hand in the lawsuit as does Clemson. They will use these tools to negotiate out. That is what a lawsuit does. In regards to disastrous, I'm certain you do realize that many high level people also believe that if FSU pulls out now that the ACC is at risk of losing the ESPN contract all together. No extension, no contract at the given rates when those teams leave. CONNECTING THE DOTS Much like SMU accepting a bid to a Power Conference (ACC) and not getting paid for nine years of television money - about $24 million per year ($216 million in total), SMU boosters raised $100 million the first week to offset the loss because they saw certain death not being in a Power Conference. Similarly, FSU is in full fundraising PE mode if that helps connect their P2 realignment dots to avoid certain ACC death in their eyes. The cost is irrelevant. I predicted here about a month ago that FSU will announce before August 15 they are leaving the ACC. That is the cut off date for being out for 2025. They will play 2024 as an ACC member for the last time and then play a P2 schedule in 2025 either as a P2 member or not as a P2 member. They are approved for B1G membership at full pro rata by the league and by the networks. That was a full year ago. Approval does not mean money has exchanged hands or that an offer has been given, they are approved. Anyone who doesn't believe this must also believe FSU has to be dumber than a box of Doak Campbell Stadium bricks to sue to get out without knowing where they can go. They will pay an exit fee, but no media rights fees. FSU will obtain AAU status possibly before the 2025 season, they are that close now. This realignment for FSU will not take two more years, of that I am certain. But that's the fun of predictions :)
Posted: 05/23/2024 at 03:17 PM ET
(In response to this post by SMU Pony)

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Interesting new FSU argument in their court case
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:23 PM ET
Does the GOR actually say that only rights needed to effect the ESPN deal..
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:04 AM ET
I don’t know enough about it but I like that stance
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/23/24 10:40 PM ET
Because it does not specifically limit it to ESPN
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:11 AM ET
I cannot imagine that a GOR would be written in such a way to allow that
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:20 PM ET
"purpose of the GOR was to motivate schools to stay" This is not likely to
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 04:39 PM ET
I would argue that was a key purpose and that FSU benefitted from it**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:55 PM ET
Benefits
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 10:46 AM ET
Nice no issue with the investment
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:18 AM ET
The only thing that matters is whether FSU thought…
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:51 AM ET
Courtroom Gray
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:15 PM ET
Cite one case of this type, between sophisticated parties…
lawhokie • 05/27/24 05:20 PM ET
Kabuki Theater
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 12:00 AM ET
Lol. Have you actually read the opinion?**
lawhokie • 05/29/24 06:46 AM ET
T
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 08:00 PM ET
What is shortly?**
2hhoop3 • 05/29/24 08:24 PM ET
The GoR was definitely designed to deter/prevent any departures. It was a
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 10:26 PM ET
Why would they need to argue it?........
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:18 PM ET
Plus 1 for the Irsay reference. I never forgave him. Still the Baltimore
HboroughHokie • 05/23/24 06:55 PM ET
I can't get past the horrible grammar, spelling, and lack of paragraphs.
Will StewartAdmin • 05/23/24 02:54 PM ET
He’s an idiot and his grammar is terrible, but the worst part of all…
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:52 PM ET
This thread has been great. It's fun watching lawyers go at it**
HokieAl • 05/23/24 06:04 PM ET
Passed the Bar Exam in Georgia, Practices in Atlanta to Be Precise
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 03:26 PM ET
Worse for him......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 04:45 PM ET
Atlanta Is Burning
VPI 1924 • 05/23/24 03:39 PM ET
GoR interpretations
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 11:43 AM ET
Serious question, are you an FSU/Fan or alum?**
Stech • 05/23/24 01:55 PM ET
I certainly am not. How can someone NOT have the default assumption that
TDVick • 05/23/24 09:57 PM ET
We had the chance....
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:00 AM ET
You wrote all of that because I asked him if he was an FSU fan? Which he
Stech • 05/23/24 10:04 PM ET
OK. People are circling the wagons and talking their books. My point is
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:18 PM ET
I want the facts too, but some are trying to create and not find the facts.
Stech • 05/23/24 10:33 PM ET
Opposing views
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:45 PM ET
No problem with opposing views or if you're FSU which you did not answer
Stech • 05/23/24 03:55 PM ET
Ask him if he is now or has ever been employed by the Rohan Law firm**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:53 PM ET
Haha, no need, you just did that. 😁**
Stech • 05/23/24 07:31 PM ET
My guess is both based on his posts**
VintonHokies • 05/23/24 02:07 PM ET
two things...a Q and an opinion
daveinop • 05/23/24 12:15 PM ET
Great question daveinop!**
Stech • 05/23/24 04:17 PM ET
ESPN can end the contract now
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 12:54 PM ET
I am not understanding all the drama with the GOR
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 03:59 PM ET
Rule #1 of Lawsuits, dont get involved in lawsuits that you arent a party
mrcaniac • 05/23/24 10:15 PM ET
If I am the ACC I call them as my first witness**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/24/24 09:18 AM ET
I can't imagine ESPN wants to publicly get involved in any way...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:08 PM ET
We don’t know that ESPN can end the deal now
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 01:16 PM ET
Who is that is trying to prevent the actual facts from coming out? It sure
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:11 PM ET
I don't see it that way
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 10:22 PM ET
Just curious. Do you think FSU and Clemson will be in the ACC this fall?
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:41 PM ET
This fall as in 2024? Absolutely, without hesitation, yes...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 11:00 PM ET
It sure seems like the "secrecy" which well may be legit has been combined
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:32 PM ET
Well put history...
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:16 AM ET
It was the......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:00 PM ET
The SEC decision......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 10:46 PM ET
8 Years of Silence?
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 06:13 PM ET
The 2016 amendment to the GOR extended the "Term" until June 30, 2036...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:36 PM ET
The GOR Was Changed in 2016
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
If that option actually exists, I'd be shocked if ESPN doesn't exercise it
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:22 PM ET
The ACC Network was the reason schools signed the GOR for that length.
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:00 PM ET
No offense, Pony, but it seems as though you don't like the "unilateral"
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 03:51 PM ET
None taken!
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:40 PM ET
FSU leaving - connect the dots
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:12 PM ET
Any member could’ve reviewed the ESPN contract in Charlotte…
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 02:26 PM ET
Finding that number that FSU would pay - that others wouldn't seems to
Big12 guy • 05/23/24 03:20 PM ET
The cost to get out ◄
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 03:17 PM ET
I don't know that FSU & Clemson feel certain they have the upper hand here
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:00 PM ET
The networks will make the decision
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:45 PM ET
Your last paragraph.......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
I refuse to let the lawyers have the board to themselves.
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 11:56 PM ET
The statement was.......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:54 AM ET
I don't disagree with anything you said there. We're all speculating. And
33laszlo99 • 05/24/24 07:32 AM ET
If you were certain......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:05 PM ET
FSU cannot join a P2 without their media rights
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 11:22 AM ET
You make reasonable.....
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:18 PM ET
Wow
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:28 AM ET
I believe ......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:45 PM ET
first part is same thing we've discussed many, many, many times
daveinop • 05/23/24 08:40 AM ET
This Link Makes 2 Legal points
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 12:42 AM ET
I've linked the ACC GOR...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:59 AM ET
If for discussion sake you are right that ESPN's ability to unilaterally
VTHokie2000 • 05/24/24 05:37 PM ET
Great to have you on this board. Your posts are extremely helpful**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 09:16 AM ET
Thank you!**
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:56 PM ET
Consider the source...
SMU Pony • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
Makes sense. Appreciate the breakdown **
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:53 PM ET
Dumb**
SpeakToDamien • 05/22/24 09:34 PM ET
Take it a step further - it’s stupid. **
RJHokie • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
There's no hope with dope!**
UVa 2002 • 05/24/24 04:39 PM ET
Very true!**
RJHokie • 05/24/24 05:15 PM ET
Wait, is stupid worse than dumb?
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:56 PM ET
Dumb literally means unable to speak.
RJHokie • 05/22/24 10:04 PM ET
Unless you are at a Duke halftime show....
mjfhokie • 05/23/24 10:41 AM ET