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INSIDE99

GoR interpretations

There might be 100 interpretations of the GoR depending on where interest lies. That is what lawyers do and what courts are for. It's obvious the small ball ACC teams are praying to keep the money makers in tow despite a hatred for those two teams. FSU/Clemson are praying to get out as fast as possible to make what their southern rivals are making while continuing to be relevant competing for national championships. The court cases with FSU are irrelevant to them leaving. The legal process exists only to determine an exit cost. This is a matter of how much, not if. I find it hard to conceive how some people firmly believe FSU/Clemson are going to be jailed into the the ACC against their will through 2036. Not going to happen barring a new media contract that pays what the P2 gets. An announcement from FSU stating when they are leaving will come before August 15. On the legal side, the ACC giving ESPN an extension back in 2021 to decide whether they want to keep the contract rolling through 2036 requires a new GoR that all members must sign. There is no contract past 2026 regardless of whether ESPN extends the deal. No one in business would sign a contract for 15 years that cannot define the financial terms past a certain date. ESPN either has a contract right now through 2036 or they do not. The state of North Carolina government has paid the ACC $15 million to keep conference championships in the state to boost outside revenues for hosting the events. Now that same BOG has implemented last second rules on preventing the UNC BOT from making decisions on leaving. Geezus, it's called collusion! The ACC sued FSU without a membership vote and then claimed they did not need a vote because the issue was not "material". Defending the GoR and a $500 million exit fee is not "material"? Now the ACC has settled on taking less from the CFP. I can't imagine why anyone would want out (sarc). ** Edited by INSIDE99 at 5/23/2024, 1:11:53 PM
Posted: 05/23/2024 at 11:43 AM ET
(In response to this post by HokieAl)

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Interesting new FSU argument in their court case
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:23 PM ET
Does the GOR actually say that only rights needed to effect the ESPN deal..
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:04 AM ET
I don’t know enough about it but I like that stance
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/23/24 10:40 PM ET
Because it does not specifically limit it to ESPN
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:11 AM ET
I cannot imagine that a GOR would be written in such a way to allow that
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:20 PM ET
"purpose of the GOR was to motivate schools to stay" This is not likely to
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 04:39 PM ET
I would argue that was a key purpose and that FSU benefitted from it**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:55 PM ET
Benefits
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 10:46 AM ET
Nice no issue with the investment
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:18 AM ET
The only thing that matters is whether FSU thought…
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:51 AM ET
Courtroom Gray
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:15 PM ET
Cite one case of this type, between sophisticated parties…
lawhokie • 05/27/24 05:20 PM ET
Kabuki Theater
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 12:00 AM ET
Lol. Have you actually read the opinion?**
lawhokie • 05/29/24 06:46 AM ET
T
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 08:00 PM ET
What is shortly?**
2hhoop3 • 05/29/24 08:24 PM ET
The GoR was definitely designed to deter/prevent any departures. It was a
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 10:26 PM ET
Why would they need to argue it?........
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:18 PM ET
Plus 1 for the Irsay reference. I never forgave him. Still the Baltimore
HboroughHokie • 05/23/24 06:55 PM ET
I can't get past the horrible grammar, spelling, and lack of paragraphs.
Will StewartAdmin • 05/23/24 02:54 PM ET
He’s an idiot and his grammar is terrible, but the worst part of all…
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:52 PM ET
This thread has been great. It's fun watching lawyers go at it**
HokieAl • 05/23/24 06:04 PM ET
Passed the Bar Exam in Georgia, Practices in Atlanta to Be Precise
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 03:26 PM ET
Worse for him......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 04:45 PM ET
Atlanta Is Burning
VPI 1924 • 05/23/24 03:39 PM ET
GoR interpretations ◄
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 11:43 AM ET
Serious question, are you an FSU/Fan or alum?**
Stech • 05/23/24 01:55 PM ET
I certainly am not. How can someone NOT have the default assumption that
TDVick • 05/23/24 09:57 PM ET
We had the chance....
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:00 AM ET
You wrote all of that because I asked him if he was an FSU fan? Which he
Stech • 05/23/24 10:04 PM ET
OK. People are circling the wagons and talking their books. My point is
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:18 PM ET
I want the facts too, but some are trying to create and not find the facts.
Stech • 05/23/24 10:33 PM ET
Opposing views
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:45 PM ET
No problem with opposing views or if you're FSU which you did not answer
Stech • 05/23/24 03:55 PM ET
Ask him if he is now or has ever been employed by the Rohan Law firm**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:53 PM ET
Haha, no need, you just did that. 😁**
Stech • 05/23/24 07:31 PM ET
My guess is both based on his posts**
VintonHokies • 05/23/24 02:07 PM ET
two things...a Q and an opinion
daveinop • 05/23/24 12:15 PM ET
Great question daveinop!**
Stech • 05/23/24 04:17 PM ET
ESPN can end the contract now
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 12:54 PM ET
I am not understanding all the drama with the GOR
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 03:59 PM ET
Rule #1 of Lawsuits, dont get involved in lawsuits that you arent a party
mrcaniac • 05/23/24 10:15 PM ET
If I am the ACC I call them as my first witness**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/24/24 09:18 AM ET
I can't imagine ESPN wants to publicly get involved in any way...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:08 PM ET
We don’t know that ESPN can end the deal now
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 01:16 PM ET
Who is that is trying to prevent the actual facts from coming out? It sure
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:11 PM ET
I don't see it that way
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 10:22 PM ET
Just curious. Do you think FSU and Clemson will be in the ACC this fall?
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:41 PM ET
This fall as in 2024? Absolutely, without hesitation, yes...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 11:00 PM ET
It sure seems like the "secrecy" which well may be legit has been combined
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:32 PM ET
Well put history...
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:16 AM ET
It was the......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:00 PM ET
The SEC decision......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 10:46 PM ET
8 Years of Silence?
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 06:13 PM ET
The 2016 amendment to the GOR extended the "Term" until June 30, 2036...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:36 PM ET
The GOR Was Changed in 2016
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
If that option actually exists, I'd be shocked if ESPN doesn't exercise it
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:22 PM ET
The ACC Network was the reason schools signed the GOR for that length.
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:00 PM ET
No offense, Pony, but it seems as though you don't like the "unilateral"
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 03:51 PM ET
None taken!
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:40 PM ET
FSU leaving - connect the dots
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:12 PM ET
Any member could’ve reviewed the ESPN contract in Charlotte…
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 02:26 PM ET
Finding that number that FSU would pay - that others wouldn't seems to
Big12 guy • 05/23/24 03:20 PM ET
The cost to get out
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 03:17 PM ET
I don't know that FSU & Clemson feel certain they have the upper hand here
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:00 PM ET
The networks will make the decision
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:45 PM ET
Your last paragraph.......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
I refuse to let the lawyers have the board to themselves.
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 11:56 PM ET
The statement was.......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:54 AM ET
I don't disagree with anything you said there. We're all speculating. And
33laszlo99 • 05/24/24 07:32 AM ET
If you were certain......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:05 PM ET
FSU cannot join a P2 without their media rights
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 11:22 AM ET
You make reasonable.....
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:18 PM ET
Wow
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:28 AM ET
I believe ......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:45 PM ET
first part is same thing we've discussed many, many, many times
daveinop • 05/23/24 08:40 AM ET
This Link Makes 2 Legal points
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 12:42 AM ET
I've linked the ACC GOR...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:59 AM ET
If for discussion sake you are right that ESPN's ability to unilaterally
VTHokie2000 • 05/24/24 05:37 PM ET
Great to have you on this board. Your posts are extremely helpful**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 09:16 AM ET
Thank you!**
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:56 PM ET
Consider the source...
SMU Pony • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
Makes sense. Appreciate the breakdown **
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:53 PM ET
Dumb**
SpeakToDamien • 05/22/24 09:34 PM ET
Take it a step further - it’s stupid. **
RJHokie • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
There's no hope with dope!**
UVa 2002 • 05/24/24 04:39 PM ET
Very true!**
RJHokie • 05/24/24 05:15 PM ET
Wait, is stupid worse than dumb?
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:56 PM ET
Dumb literally means unable to speak.
RJHokie • 05/22/24 10:04 PM ET
Unless you are at a Duke halftime show....
mjfhokie • 05/23/24 10:41 AM ET