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INSIDE99

FSU leaving - connect the dots

Getting that ESPN contract verbatim was a major part of the discovery legal process seeing that the ACC has kept those top secret documents in Charlotte lockdown. I found it ironic that the 2027 ESPN extension has only been mentioned since FSU officials recently had the chance to get to Charlotte and read that contract. Maybe FSU is lying, guess we find out soon enough. The devil is in the details. Now ESPN has to cough them up, at least in South Carolina for now. The lawsuits were necessary regardless of intentions to leave already decided. The FSU BOT claims they never had the opportunity to vote in 2021 to extend the ESPN contract. They also claim Swofford unilaterally made that decision in 2021 the year he was leaving office. The same way Phillips unilaterally made the decision to sue FSU without a member vote only to take that vote weeks afterwards and declare it retroactive. It's called forum shopping and the Leon County Judge Cooper was correct in calling it what it was - a race to the courthouse. Of course it's material. I don't mind discussing the legal sides, it is interesting. I'm thankful to be able to discuss it with someone who is educated on the realignment subject. But FSU is gone asap. Their PE investments are not just to build new facilities. They knew there may be a cost to get out of the ACC. Negotiating that cost is what's happening. Getting $40-$50 million more annually in a P2 full pro rata membership quickly offsets just about any exit cost. Connect the dots. The networks have made the decisions already so I've been told for 11 months. Everything is still speculation, even from the sources. Anyone who cannot see this is blinded by love or hate of their institution. What a cray off-season this has been.
Posted: 05/23/2024 at 02:12 PM ET
(In response to this post by SMU Pony)

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Interesting new FSU argument in their court case
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:23 PM ET
Does the GOR actually say that only rights needed to effect the ESPN deal..
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:04 AM ET
I don’t know enough about it but I like that stance
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/23/24 10:40 PM ET
Because it does not specifically limit it to ESPN
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:11 AM ET
I cannot imagine that a GOR would be written in such a way to allow that
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:20 PM ET
"purpose of the GOR was to motivate schools to stay" This is not likely to
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 04:39 PM ET
I would argue that was a key purpose and that FSU benefitted from it**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:55 PM ET
Benefits
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 10:46 AM ET
Nice no issue with the investment
VTCALS72 • 05/25/24 09:18 AM ET
The only thing that matters is whether FSU thought…
lawhokie • 05/24/24 10:51 AM ET
Courtroom Gray
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:15 PM ET
Cite one case of this type, between sophisticated parties…
lawhokie • 05/27/24 05:20 PM ET
Kabuki Theater
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 12:00 AM ET
Lol. Have you actually read the opinion?**
lawhokie • 05/29/24 06:46 AM ET
T
INSIDE99 • 05/29/24 08:00 PM ET
What is shortly?**
2hhoop3 • 05/29/24 08:24 PM ET
The GoR was definitely designed to deter/prevent any departures. It was a
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 10:26 PM ET
Why would they need to argue it?........
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:18 PM ET
Plus 1 for the Irsay reference. I never forgave him. Still the Baltimore
HboroughHokie • 05/23/24 06:55 PM ET
I can't get past the horrible grammar, spelling, and lack of paragraphs.
Will StewartAdmin • 05/23/24 02:54 PM ET
He’s an idiot and his grammar is terrible, but the worst part of all…
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:52 PM ET
This thread has been great. It's fun watching lawyers go at it**
HokieAl • 05/23/24 06:04 PM ET
Passed the Bar Exam in Georgia, Practices in Atlanta to Be Precise
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 03:26 PM ET
Worse for him......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 04:45 PM ET
Atlanta Is Burning
VPI 1924 • 05/23/24 03:39 PM ET
GoR interpretations
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 11:43 AM ET
Serious question, are you an FSU/Fan or alum?**
Stech • 05/23/24 01:55 PM ET
I certainly am not. How can someone NOT have the default assumption that
TDVick • 05/23/24 09:57 PM ET
We had the chance....
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:00 AM ET
You wrote all of that because I asked him if he was an FSU fan? Which he
Stech • 05/23/24 10:04 PM ET
OK. People are circling the wagons and talking their books. My point is
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:18 PM ET
I want the facts too, but some are trying to create and not find the facts.
Stech • 05/23/24 10:33 PM ET
Opposing views
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:45 PM ET
No problem with opposing views or if you're FSU which you did not answer
Stech • 05/23/24 03:55 PM ET
Ask him if he is now or has ever been employed by the Rohan Law firm**
lawhokie • 05/23/24 05:53 PM ET
Haha, no need, you just did that. 😁**
Stech • 05/23/24 07:31 PM ET
My guess is both based on his posts**
VintonHokies • 05/23/24 02:07 PM ET
two things...a Q and an opinion
daveinop • 05/23/24 12:15 PM ET
Great question daveinop!**
Stech • 05/23/24 04:17 PM ET
ESPN can end the contract now
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 12:54 PM ET
I am not understanding all the drama with the GOR
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 03:59 PM ET
Rule #1 of Lawsuits, dont get involved in lawsuits that you arent a party
mrcaniac • 05/23/24 10:15 PM ET
If I am the ACC I call them as my first witness**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/24/24 09:18 AM ET
I can't imagine ESPN wants to publicly get involved in any way...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:08 PM ET
We don’t know that ESPN can end the deal now
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 01:16 PM ET
Who is that is trying to prevent the actual facts from coming out? It sure
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:11 PM ET
I don't see it that way
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 10:22 PM ET
Just curious. Do you think FSU and Clemson will be in the ACC this fall?
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:41 PM ET
This fall as in 2024? Absolutely, without hesitation, yes...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 11:00 PM ET
It sure seems like the "secrecy" which well may be legit has been combined
TDVick • 05/23/24 10:32 PM ET
Well put history...
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:16 AM ET
It was the......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:00 PM ET
The SEC decision......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 10:46 PM ET
8 Years of Silence?
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 06:13 PM ET
The 2016 amendment to the GOR extended the "Term" until June 30, 2036...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:36 PM ET
The GOR Was Changed in 2016
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
If that option actually exists, I'd be shocked if ESPN doesn't exercise it
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:22 PM ET
The ACC Network was the reason schools signed the GOR for that length.
wwhokie1 • 05/23/24 04:00 PM ET
No offense, Pony, but it seems as though you don't like the "unilateral"
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 03:51 PM ET
None taken!
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:40 PM ET
FSU leaving - connect the dots ◄
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 02:12 PM ET
Any member could’ve reviewed the ESPN contract in Charlotte…
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 02:26 PM ET
Finding that number that FSU would pay - that others wouldn't seems to
Big12 guy • 05/23/24 03:20 PM ET
The cost to get out
INSIDE99 • 05/23/24 03:17 PM ET
I don't know that FSU & Clemson feel certain they have the upper hand here
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:00 PM ET
The networks will make the decision
INSIDE99 • 05/27/24 04:45 PM ET
Your last paragraph.......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 09:10 PM ET
I refuse to let the lawyers have the board to themselves.
33laszlo99 • 05/23/24 11:56 PM ET
The statement was.......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 02:54 AM ET
I don't disagree with anything you said there. We're all speculating. And
33laszlo99 • 05/24/24 07:32 AM ET
If you were certain......
2hhoop3 • 05/23/24 05:05 PM ET
FSU cannot join a P2 without their media rights
INSIDE99 • 05/24/24 11:22 AM ET
You make reasonable.....
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:18 PM ET
Wow
DrHokie • 05/24/24 12:28 AM ET
I believe ......
2hhoop3 • 05/24/24 12:45 PM ET
first part is same thing we've discussed many, many, many times
daveinop • 05/23/24 08:40 AM ET
This Link Makes 2 Legal points
WarHog38 • 05/23/24 12:42 AM ET
I've linked the ACC GOR...
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 08:59 AM ET
If for discussion sake you are right that ESPN's ability to unilaterally
VTHokie2000 • 05/24/24 05:37 PM ET
Great to have you on this board. Your posts are extremely helpful**
VT ChemE 1986 • 05/23/24 09:16 AM ET
Thank you!**
SMU Pony • 05/23/24 09:56 PM ET
Consider the source...
SMU Pony • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
Makes sense. Appreciate the breakdown **
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:53 PM ET
Dumb**
SpeakToDamien • 05/22/24 09:34 PM ET
Take it a step further - it’s stupid. **
RJHokie • 05/22/24 09:38 PM ET
There's no hope with dope!**
UVa 2002 • 05/24/24 04:39 PM ET
Very true!**
RJHokie • 05/24/24 05:15 PM ET
Wait, is stupid worse than dumb?
HokieAl • 05/22/24 09:56 PM ET
Dumb literally means unable to speak.
RJHokie • 05/22/24 10:04 PM ET
Unless you are at a Duke halftime show....
mjfhokie • 05/23/24 10:41 AM ET