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Comparison points to consider

ACC is in a bigger media footprint domestically and has higher name recognition schools to headline in FB, at least in the near term. B12 has larger schools with a growing demographic. It also is poised to open up Mexico as an untapped media market for college sports (which the Dallas Cowboys did for the NFL decades ago to create a dynasty and one of the most valuable pro franchises, by the way). Both conferences are strong in BB. The ACC has a better academic reputation that was marred by some additions, most notably Louisville. The B12 is all over the map. The ACC also is stronger in the non revenue sports; but that may actually make it less sustainable as a business model.
Posted: 05/19/2024 at 12:03 AM ET
(In response to this post by EDGEMAN)

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Clemson fans get mad when I say this but the SEC doesn’t need them & FSU
Wtcarter12 • 05/17/24 09:03 PM ET
It's reality, they don't need them **
VaTechHokiesACC • 05/19/24 09:19 PM ET
I think Clemson and FSU would be far more attractive to the Big Ten.
hokieZ71 • 05/18/24 08:47 PM ET
But is the Big 10 all that attractive to
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:44 AM ET
They are in the ACC now.
hokieZ71 • 05/19/24 09:45 AM ET
If FSU goes to the Big 10 one thing is for sure, they will lose more games
FLKEYSHOKIE • 05/19/24 07:50 PM ET
Actually I don't think the "dregs" of the Big 10 are a better draw for
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:15 PM ET
I would agree with you - I would bet a majority of the FANS of FSU or
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 09:02 AM ET
You do know who Woody Hayes was and the team that beat him
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:18 PM ET
yes**
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 04:24 PM ET
$10M more than the SEC pays is very attractive.**
EDGEMAN • 05/19/24 08:59 AM ET
ESPN likes good ratings (and lucrative advertising rates) and Clemson/FSU
ren_hoek • 05/18/24 08:08 PM ET
Is BC and Cuse more of a "garbage" teams than Rutgers
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:22 PM ET
Not at all. They'll be playing 7-8 teams just as good or better, so
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 10:25 PM ET
You told me in another post, you thought they were B1G bound, what changed
Stech • 05/18/24 08:28 PM ET
One of two possibilities exists as far as I can tell
Marooned • 05/18/24 11:30 PM ET
I think getting into the SEC is what the majority of Clemson and FSU want.**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:54 AM ET
Clemson and FSU are not planning to leave ACC so they can go to Big 12.
wwhokie1 • 05/18/24 05:26 PM ET
You may be right but....
Old Line Hokie • 05/18/24 02:36 PM ET
Remember this, in NC, UNC is probably hated by as many as love them
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:00 AM ET
People have been promoting UNC's potential for decades.They never reach it
wwhokie1 • 05/18/24 05:23 PM ET
Maybe they have.**
33laszlo99 • 05/18/24 05:48 PM ET
Underachieving Texas A&M........
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 02:52 PM ET
More teams does not mean less money. The money will adjust also
HokieAl • 05/18/24 02:35 PM ET
you are using too much logic for the average Clemson fan LOL**
MrBayAreaHokie • 05/18/24 02:00 PM ET
The ACC will be more valuable than the Big 12 in almost any scenario **
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 01:42 PM ET
"Almost every scenario", I agree with that.**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:02 AM ET
ACC
VPI 1924 • 05/18/24 03:24 PM ET
That depends on what prism you look at it.
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:16 AM ET
That's not accurate **
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 10:31 PM ET
That's debatable...lol**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 03:25 PM ET
Comparison points to consider ◄
Marooned • 05/19/24 12:03 AM ET
Media footprint, what does it mean?
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:21 AM ET
To say that the B12’s media footprint in Texas is tiny is just wrong
Marooned • 05/19/24 10:00 AM ET
Even if one of the 4 is in the running for the B12 title, a below
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:26 PM ET
Nope
Marooned • 05/19/24 05:25 PM ET
do you mean for one B12 championship game?
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 06:48 PM ET
I’m responding to your previous comment
Marooned • 05/19/24 07:00 PM ET
For Houston, do you think it will matter much?**
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:02 PM ET
Over time, yes absolutely
Marooned • 05/19/24 10:54 PM ET
The media footprint is much larger on the Atlantic coast, but so
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 12:40 PM ET
thank you, "the actual average fan base tuning
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 02:37 PM ET
The only games that "sell" outside of their geographic footprint
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 03:13 PM ET
I think you vastly over rate.........
2hhoop3 • 05/19/24 03:30 PM ET
Well, you could be right, but to date, we have not had a VT BC game with a
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 03:51 PM ET
I fully agree with your 1st paragraph. I have been to Lane Stadium sell
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 07:07 PM ET
I believe any upsets.....
2hhoop3 • 05/19/24 04:00 PM ET
A G5 winning a playoff game, or two - maybe, but rare. One winning
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 04:16 PM ET
Unless you lose FSU and Clemson. **
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 02:45 PM ET
I still think if the acc went to market
SpeakToDamien • 05/18/24 10:39 PM ET
The ACC is a much better conference in football with FSU, Clemson, and ND
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:29 AM ET
B12 lost A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma…same as FSU/Clemson?
Stech • 05/18/24 08:35 PM ET
Umm, ya. I don't see either conference as being better than the
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:19 AM ET
Lots of private schools in the ACC, that and it’s an hour most days to
Stech • 05/19/24 02:58 PM ET
Unfortunately for UM was that there was no other choice but to play in a
FLKEYSHOKIE • 05/19/24 10:32 PM ET
Orange Bowl was turned into Marlins Stadium, it’s much closer, should have
Stech • 05/20/24 07:25 AM ET
I dont think the Neilson ratings are worth much
VTCALS72 • 05/19/24 08:28 AM ET
Miami has the potential to be a national powerhouse again, but UNC, as much
Big12 guy • 05/19/24 08:40 AM ET
Which will put us on level ground with the B12 after Big TX and OK left.**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 03:25 PM ET
I would counter that B12 has the advantage in school sizes
HokieAl • 05/18/24 07:08 PM ET
I think he is talking as a fan, and about football. I can't wait until the
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 07:13 PM ET
Until the expanded playoffs tells us otherwise, I agree with you. The
Big12 guy • 05/18/24 07:04 PM ET
Clemson would be a good add for them. They draw better than the cocks and
VTMONEY94 • 05/17/24 11:30 PM ET
Both programs sell out and it's already a rivalry. No net gain adding
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 10:28 PM ET
I think Clemson would pull more recruits from the southeast while in SEC
lawhokie • 05/18/24 11:12 AM ET
And Clemson could really take a bite out of the NC market as well.
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:32 AM ET
actually clemson does not have a good footprint in NC
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:49 AM ET
That has to be your opinion on "The University" statement. Lived in SC
VTMONEY94 • 05/18/24 09:11 AM ET
And USCe the better party option.**
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 12:54 PM ET
Still putting 2 teams in a state with 5 million that you already have, Va.
Stech • 05/18/24 10:16 AM ET
Yeah. That's, in part, why I think the B1G should be interested in Clemson.
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:42 AM ET
Almost 1/2 the size of the state of Virginia, and many schools in SEC don’t
Stech • 05/18/24 05:41 AM ET
The B1G should be interested in FSU AND Clemson...and...VA TECH.
Maroon Baboon • 05/17/24 10:24 PM ET
VT hasn't been relevant in football for 15 years.
drb • 05/18/24 08:13 AM ET
More like 6 to 10 years, 10-4 in 2016, 9-5 2017 and 8-5 in 2019. Also, like
Stech • 05/18/24 10:47 AM ET
You could’ve said the same thing about Clemson 15 years ago.
hokieball • 05/18/24 10:28 AM ET
very true - especially the Clemson example**
VPI_1998 • 05/19/24 09:42 AM ET
Yet nearer in relevance than Maryland and Rutgers.
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:24 AM ET
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DrHokie • 05/18/24 08:24 AM ET
I don't think VT is really as valuable to the Big as we are to the SEC
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:38 AM ET
Interesting take. I don't disagree with you. But I will say, we have a lot
Maroon Baboon • 05/18/24 10:30 AM ET
LOL Sure, forget UVa. The only realistic hope VT has of P2 is a close
ancient alien 2018 • 05/18/24 12:20 AM ET
Isn't that really what is driving Clemson and FSU?
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:40 AM ET
Neither Clemson or FSU are in the AAU, they also share a state w/ a rival
Stech • 05/18/24 05:38 AM ET
Florida and USC are not opposed
ren_hoek • 05/18/24 08:17 PM ET
Do you have proof for that?**
Stech • 05/18/24 08:18 PM ET
IMHO AAU is a "country club" membership thing all designed around
VTCALS72 • 05/18/24 07:48 AM ET
We'll know if the B1X really wants them if...
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 06:12 AM ET
Good grief…are folks still prattling on about the AAU?**
marcbvtgm • 05/19/24 07:39 PM ET
F$U and VT are on the cusp of AAU membership
obguthr • 05/18/24 08:11 AM ET
Valuable lessons learned: Iowa State concludes its AAU membership.
WBGV • 05/18/24 01:06 PM ET
Bingo, I've heard that as well in AAU circles
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:52 AM ET
Never in 1M years would I have thought USF would have been invited
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 08:23 AM ET
USF research funding reaches record high of $692 million
WBGV • 05/18/24 01:26 PM ET
Rumor was that Wisconsin and Michigan were pushing hard for Miami.
hokieball • 05/18/24 10:56 AM ET
well you have to have sponsors that bring folks to the table
DMV Gobbler • 05/18/24 08:55 AM ET
I wouldn't count on any ACC schools wanting to sponsor any other....
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 09:04 AM ET
How often do the invites go out?**
Stech • 05/18/24 07:48 AM ET
I think every 3-5 years.**
EDGEMAN • 05/18/24 07:56 AM ET
Then with them Suing to get out now, very doubtful in time for expansion,
Stech • 05/18/24 10:05 AM ET
Would FSU and Clemson have to super-duper promise not to break the B12 GoR?
tarheelblue • 05/18/24 07:11 PM ET
B12 probably would take both
Marooned • 05/18/24 12:18 PM ET
Clemson & FSU Are Not Going to the Big 12
WarHog38 • 05/18/24 11:05 PM ET
They, the BOT, MIGHT have the........
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 11:23 PM ET
That Would Logically Explain the Chancellor Publicly Going Against the
WarHog38 • 05/19/24 01:10 AM ET
Ironic yet poetic justice......
2hhoop3 • 05/18/24 12:52 PM ET
Greed and selfishness. The justice for FSU and Clemson
saret • 05/18/24 01:15 PM ET