Both good points. Some thoughts in response-
1. Like the oft-repeated "media markets" trope, I don't think this matters as much as folks apparently think it does. There is no honor among thieves to be found when it comes to this round of conference realignment. Oregon left Oregon State in the dust. Washington left Washington State. Oklahoma left Oklahoma State. UCLA left Cal, with the UC system governance board and half the California legislature crying foul. I don't think it's even a question of whether or not both institutions are governed by the same entity; I think it's more about what actual leverage one institution holds over the other to prevent it from doing whatever it wants to do. I know that "UNC and NCSU are tied at the hip because x, y, and z" is a trope, but, if the metal hit the meat, I don't think there would be any appetite to actually do anything about it with anyone that actually had the power to stop UNC from leaving the ACC if that's what UNC really wants to do. Why would they? Do you really think that powerful movers and shakers are going to cut off UNC's nose because the SEC or Big 10 doesn't want NC State? I don't. Again, you have to ask yourself, why would they? I imagine, if anything, UNC would be allowed to leave for greener pastures with some kind of "Calimony" requirement, similar to what happened with UCLA - they pay NCSU a nominal penance and go. But even that would surprise me.
2. The price tag on leaving is no longer the big issue for anyone in the ACC, football brand or otherwise. It would be a no brainer to pay, and, believe it or not, I imagine any ACC school could come up with the exit fee relatively quickly. When you're talking about doubling your $45m annual media rights payouts, or more, $165m isn't that big of a price tag in the grand scheme of things. Since the exit fee issue has been settled, the big issue now is actually having somewhere to go. You have to create enough value at your new destination to not only avoid dilution of current shares, but add to the pot.
The Big 10 is extremely top heavy. Half the football programs in the Big 10 have less real value than most of those in the ACC, and there's no good way for the conference to get rid of that dead weight. So, I imagine the Big 10 is not exactly dying to add more mouths to feed until they figure that issue out. The SEC is filled with high-value football programs, and already doesn't want to play more conference games now, because they feel they're not being adequately compensated for those additional L's, both in terms of media rights payouts and CFP access. So, clearly they're also not exactly dying to add more mouths to feed. You take all that, and combine it with speculation from pretty some pretty credible folks that these enormous P2 media rights deals are very likely overvalued as-is, and you don't have a situation where the SEC or the Big 10 are dying to expand any time soon.
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So, the domino for all this new realignment talk is UNCheat's rumored,
-- Maroon Unit
Jul 29, 2025 at 03:59 AM ET
Maroon Unit
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07/29/25 03:59 AM ET
They have the same financial scenario all ACC teams have with the new
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 31, 2025 at 04:46 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/31/25 04:46 PM ET
THe only way for insecurity in this business is money
-- 1947Sunbowl
Jul 30, 2025 at 03:14 PM ET
1947Sunbowl
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07/30/25 03:14 PM ET
Nothing in the ACC is a domino
-- HokieAl
Jul 29, 2025 at 10:30 PM ET
HokieAl
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07/29/25 10:30 PM ET
Could see SEC taking UNC & NCSU w/ State Board of Trustees, cable hookups
-- Stech
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:23 AM ET
Stech
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07/29/25 11:23 AM ET
Nope. Clemson football and UNC mean the most to the ACC.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 29, 2025 at 01:16 PM ET
hokieZ71
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07/29/25 01:16 PM ET
Agree, good schools, but don’t underrate the power of the NC state school’s
-- Stech
Jul 29, 2025 at 09:32 PM ET
Stech
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07/29/25 09:32 PM ET
As for UF and USC-E, don't forget that aTm thought the same thing...
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 30, 2025 at 08:09 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/30/25 08:09 AM ET
True, but *North Carolina State Schools board of trustees, doesn’t exist
-- Stech
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:51 AM ET
Stech
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07/30/25 10:51 AM ET
Which is why UNC is going NOWHERE until 2030 when major changes are
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 31, 2025 at 04:49 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/31/25 04:49 PM ET
Could be right, but don’t underestimate NC State Schools Board of Governors
-- Stech
Jul 31, 2025 at 08:05 AM ET
Stech
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07/31/25 08:05 AM ET
You might be right, but no one really knows how this will play out. Podcast
-- Stech
Jul 31, 2025 at 09:31 AM ET
Stech
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07/31/25 09:31 AM ET
No, they haven’t all had tag alongs.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 31, 2025 at 10:58 AM ET
hokieZ71
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07/31/25 10:58 AM ET
I agree not all, but I never said all, I said the most recent, and I stick
-- Stech
Jul 31, 2025 at 11:11 AM ET
Stech
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07/31/25 11:11 AM ET
Voting to add Texas and voting to add FSU or Clemson are two vastly-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:21 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 10:21 AM ET
It's important to note that, in all this recent UNC-2-SEC coverage-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 09:50 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 09:50 AM ET
2 things that I look for in realignment "rumors"
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:21 AM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/29/25 11:21 AM ET
Both good points. Some thoughts in response-
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-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:43 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 11:43 AM ET
Agree. In terms of #1, I am not saying the UNC can't split from NC State.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 02:32 PM ET
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07/29/25 02:32 PM ET
Everything else happening in college football right now resembles the-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 02:43 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 02:43 PM ET
Promotion/relegation has never been tried in the US, you’re right.
-- mancunian
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:59 PM ET
mancunian
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07/30/25 12:59 PM ET
While relegation/promotion has never been tried in the US, college
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 09:37 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/29/25 09:37 PM ET
In its current form, I disagree college football is ripe to try
-- Tombo
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:30 PM ET
Tombo
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07/30/25 05:30 PM ET
That's a completely inaccurate statement.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:48 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 05:48 PM ET
I can tell you straight out I don't watch a league in another country
-- Tombo
Jul 31, 2025 at 08:38 PM ET
Tombo
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07/31/25 08:38 PM ET
They're never going to fix the transfer rule.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Aug 01, 2025 at 09:42 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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08/01/25 09:42 AM ET
Agree. But that is the case for any system. And the transfer portal and
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:38 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 05:38 PM ET
Agree with you on all counts here.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 09:51 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 09:51 AM ET
Here are two ideas of how to organize the relegation and promotion
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:00 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 12:00 PM ET
This makes too much sense and would be too awesome.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:19 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 12:19 PM ET
A Wild take on the ACC contract clause re "dissolution"
-- VTCALS72
Jul 30, 2025 at 09:47 AM ET
VTCALS72
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07/30/25 09:47 AM ET
ACC-Big12 MERGER for Relegation and Promotion
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 04:23 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 04:23 PM ET
I don't think it would work with only 24 teams.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:15 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 10:15 AM ET
What if the promotion/relegation is done every 2 years? A factor that
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:58 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/30/25 10:58 AM ET
Some thoughts in response:
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:22 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 11:22 AM ET
Totally agree about #2. All teams in a tier should be viewed as equals.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 04:05 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 04:05 PM ET
The more we talk about this, the cooler it sounds, and the more-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 04:38 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 04:38 PM ET
I'm convinced that one of two extremes is best for college football.
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:12 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 05:12 PM ET
PREACH BROTHER! Agree 100% on everything in this post.**
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:17 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 05:17 PM ET
Anything that creates immediate stakes and drama would be great for the-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:41 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 05:41 PM ET
So true. And what is so awful about the current system is that the "drama"
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 06:02 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 06:02 PM ET
There is no salary cap in the Premier League?
-- HouClone
Jul 30, 2025 at 09:35 PM ET
HouClone
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07/30/25 09:35 PM ET
I don't think there is. They have a similar issue with their league that we
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:00 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/30/25 10:00 PM ET
FWIW EPL doesn't have a salary cap per se. Although there is a proposal
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 31, 2025 at 02:49 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/31/25 02:49 AM ET
The reason I asked about Notre Dame has nothing to do with the conference
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:30 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/30/25 11:30 AM ET
I suppose then ND would just be an OOC opponent that landed on members'-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:39 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 11:39 AM ET
So all ACC teams would still get to play Notre Dame regardless of what tier
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/30/25 11:55 AM ET
It's my inclination that the ACC is going to continue doing exactly what-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:06 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 12:06 PM ET
I agree with you that the ACC will likely maintain the status quo until
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 30, 2025 at 05:16 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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07/30/25 05:16 PM ET
I have posted the notion several times that the current P2 media deals will
-- Maroon Unit
Jul 29, 2025 at 12:29 PM ET
Maroon Unit
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07/29/25 12:29 PM ET
I always thought the conference network carriage fees was a scam and not
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 02:20 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/29/25 02:20 PM ET
When will players have sponsor patches on their uniforms?**
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 30, 2025 at 08:11 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/30/25 08:11 AM ET
There were no rumors about Texas and Oklahoma going to
-- Big12 guy
Jul 29, 2025 at 10:47 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/29/25 10:47 AM ET
Any ACC school, including Wake Forest or Boston College, would have a-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:15 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 11:15 AM ET
Ya, i think that goes for any school not in the P2. So, the question then
-- Big12 guy
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:24 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/29/25 11:24 AM ET
UNC would be valuable. At the risk of sounding like a homer-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 12:17 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 12:17 PM ET
As an outsider looking in, and having lived in the neighborhood
-- Big12 guy
Jul 29, 2025 at 12:50 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/29/25 12:50 PM ET
A&M and FSU to the B1G would be a boss move.**
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:23 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/29/25 11:23 PM ET
I will add to our discourse here something that nobody on here seems-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 02:31 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/29/25 02:31 PM ET
Clemson is 73-44 against the Cocks. And I would rank CU as a near-blueblood
-- Maroon Baboon
Jul 29, 2025 at 11:37 PM ET
Maroon Baboon
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07/29/25 11:37 PM ET
"Clemson is a near blue blood" is an absolutely volcanic take, friend.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 09:43 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 09:43 AM ET
Well this isn’t true. Clemson has dominated USCe series….
-- CrystalCoveHokie
Jul 29, 2025 at 06:52 PM ET
CrystalCoveHokie
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07/29/25 06:52 PM ET
Lots of Clemson grovelers coming out of the woodwork. I must have hit a-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 10:05 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 10:05 AM ET
How many teams have more than 3 nattys since 1980?**
-- CrystalCoveHokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:22 AM ET
CrystalCoveHokie
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07/30/25 11:22 AM ET
I've made entirely clear that my point is not to invalidate their recent-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:32 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 11:32 AM ET
Since 1980 = 45 years, not a flash in the pan. **
-- CrystalCoveHokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 11:56 AM ET
CrystalCoveHokie
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07/30/25 11:56 AM ET
What about the 20 or so years that they were completely mid or trash?
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:07 PM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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07/30/25 12:07 PM ET
I agree, the issue is really not arguable **
-- CrystalCoveHokie
Jul 30, 2025 at 12:16 PM ET
CrystalCoveHokie
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07/30/25 12:16 PM ET
Don’t confuse UNC being the first domino with UNC being the catalyst.
-- hokieZ71
Jul 29, 2025 at 06:46 AM ET
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07/29/25 06:46 AM ET
They would do that but I think the P2 sees UNC as just behind
-- VTCALS72
Jul 29, 2025 at 06:29 AM ET
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07/29/25 06:29 AM ET