Actually, I don't think that they should. I believe there will
be a third "P" conference, call it the ACC or the B12, I don't think it really matters at that point. Here are a few reasons I think it will be the B12:
When you add up Cuse, Wake, and BC - then add up Houston, Cincy, and UCF - the difference isn't so much their athletic past, but their potential. Cincy, UCF, and Houston are public Universities, and have a larger alumni base to draw on for attendance and ratings. The rest of the ACC after the top universities go, are just as strong, give or take a bit, as the rest of the B12.
Last year, the total B12 viewership ratings were better than the ACC, with the ACC having more teams, and their top brands, including ND. Granted, the ACCN numbers are no where to be found, but it is what it is. If and when (it's still an if) the ACC loses their top brands, the 2036 media contract will be a tough row to hoe.
Meanwhile, back at the flyover ranch, the B12 will have a new contract around 2030, and it should reflect the addition of the 4 corners which were not included in the last negotiation. Then, in all likelihood, they will get yet another contract around 2036. I'm making the assumption that both of those contracts will be more than the current one, and 2036 is a LONG time for the ACC to wait for a new contract in this environment of change.
While there are no guarantees that the B12 will eclipse the ACC in distributions, the future for the B12 looks better than the ACC, even though the ACC has a better media deal today because of the ACCN. Not a dig, just my humble opinion.
I think the ACC would be much better off not backfilling with G5 schools, except maybe UCONN, but if I remember correctly, you need 15 to satisfy the contract. Maybe the ACC can entice some B12 schools, but ND would probably have to be a big part of that.
The uneven distribution system is another problem for the top B12 schools. Would they come into the ACC at the top of the distribution system, and start off making more money than those at the bottom? Or at the bottom? Frankly, I'm not sure how you sell that to a Utah, the Arizona schools, or any other University that you think could be a fit. No one at the top of the ACC food chain will take a financial hit to add any school, except maybe ND as a full time football member. The uneven distribution thing may actually have a Louisville or GT looking to the B12 in 2030 if they are making less than they are today. We just don't know how that plays out.
I think you are dead wrong about the PAC. I also do not think the P2 has the appetite or the money to add 6-8 universities. The football brands are FSU, Clemson, and Miami. UNC is a brand in a category by itself, not just a basketball blue blood like Duke.
The top of the ACC will find a home. The middle of the ACC will find a home. The bottom 4-6 are in serious trouble, and could find themselves in a PAC for football, and the Big east for basketball - which isn't all bad. CalFord and SMU will have to find a landing spot, and your guess is as good as mine where they land. Anywhere from the BIG to the AAC.
An ACC with the privates and academics adding some more academics is probably my best guess, and the ACC will survive until 2036. At that point, a lot more unknowns will be known, and all of our predictions could be all for nothing.
Thread Replies (40)
A lot of smoke with UNC these days. Besides the obvious
-- Big12 guy
Jul 25, 2025 at 10:45 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/25/25 10:45 AM ET
It’s like saying “Everyone will eventuall die.”
-- RandomAsianGuy
Jul 27, 2025 at 06:19 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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07/27/25 06:19 PM ET
Nothing, NOTHING, Happens unless. or until, the P2 conferences and their
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 27, 2025 at 08:55 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/27/25 08:55 PM ET
You are probably right. I wouldn't have given it
-- Big12 guy
Jul 27, 2025 at 06:29 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/27/25 06:29 PM ET
I don't think the SEC will expand any more without finding a way to remove
-- VPI_1998
Jul 27, 2025 at 11:04 AM ET
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07/27/25 11:04 AM ET
Don't forget power schools need several easy conference wins every year.
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 28, 2025 at 05:10 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/28/25 05:10 AM ET
NO P2 Conference will boot a member to take in a new member. If that were
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 28, 2025 at 12:33 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/28/25 12:33 AM ET
That certainly seems logical, but it seems the easiest way to
-- Big12 guy
Jul 27, 2025 at 12:01 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/27/25 12:01 PM ET
Maybe uneven distro should morph into de facto relegation?
-- Truthahn
Jul 28, 2025 at 08:37 AM ET
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07/28/25 08:37 AM ET
I think both the Big 10 and SEC pause
-- mancunian
Jul 27, 2025 at 12:18 PM ET
mancunian
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07/27/25 12:18 PM ET
I hope so. We need to play ball.**
-- Big12 guy
Jul 27, 2025 at 04:54 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/27/25 04:54 PM ET
It should be interesting to see who goes with UNC
-- Millpoint
Jul 26, 2025 at 09:27 PM ET
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07/26/25 09:27 PM ET
Question, why do you and others think the ACC must remain at 16-18
-- VTCALS72
Jul 27, 2025 at 02:31 PM ET
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07/27/25 02:31 PM ET
Doesn’t ACC’s ESPN contract require at least 14/15 teams to be valid?
-- Millpoint
Jul 27, 2025 at 06:47 PM ET
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07/27/25 06:47 PM ET
IMHO ESPN is making a lot of the calls now happening
-- VTCALS72
Jul 27, 2025 at 08:42 PM ET
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07/27/25 08:42 PM ET
No, bloggers who need clickbait hits and know nothing, are driving this
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 27, 2025 at 08:59 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/27/25 08:59 PM ET
Yes, "FSU and Clemson to the P2 NOW!" posts no longer get clicked.
-- Truthahn
Jul 28, 2025 at 08:12 AM ET
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07/28/25 08:12 AM ET
Actually, I don't think that they should. I believe there will
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-- Big12 guy
Jul 27, 2025 at 03:25 PM ET
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07/27/25 03:25 PM ET
The ACC viewership ratings most likely surpass
-- RJHokie
Jul 27, 2025 at 04:29 PM ET
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07/27/25 04:29 PM ET
Good grief!!! No one is going with UNC because they are going nowhere until
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 26, 2025 at 09:59 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/26/25 09:59 PM ET
They want the brand and will pay for it. **
-- Millpoint
Jul 27, 2025 at 07:46 AM ET
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07/27/25 07:46 AM ET
The SEC contract runs through '33-'34. The exit fee currently is
-- Big12 guy
Jul 26, 2025 at 10:39 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/26/25 10:39 PM ET
The Big 12 exit fee is roughly half that...
-- SMU Pony
Jul 27, 2025 at 08:30 AM ET
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07/27/25 08:30 AM ET
They don't want anybody **
-- HokiesACC2004
Jul 28, 2025 at 06:47 AM ET
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07/28/25 06:47 AM ET
The B12 was already poached. The ACC is up to bat. **
-- Big12 guy
Jul 27, 2025 at 08:32 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/27/25 08:32 AM ET
White smoke or black smoke?**
-- VTHokie2000
Jul 25, 2025 at 11:01 AM ET
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07/25/25 11:01 AM ET
i would guess UNC football ratings will be the best in a really long time
-- AnotherTechW
Jul 25, 2025 at 11:00 AM ET
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07/25/25 11:00 AM ET
Sellouts are easier when you have less seats
-- Hotus
Jul 27, 2025 at 10:26 AM ET
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07/27/25 10:26 AM ET
reminds me of when UNC hired Mack Brown back - lots of hype, some really
-- VPI_1998
Jul 26, 2025 at 09:25 AM ET
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07/26/25 09:25 AM ET
But, that is UNC football in a nut shell. Historic blue blood basketball
-- Big12 guy
Jul 26, 2025 at 09:54 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/26/25 09:54 AM ET
Basketball has fewer players, fewer NIL deals to negotiate
-- Hotus
Jul 27, 2025 at 10:32 AM ET
Hotus
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07/27/25 10:32 AM ET
Alabama, Tennessee, and Texas similar to UF
-- OrlandoHokie
Jul 26, 2025 at 03:31 PM ET
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07/26/25 03:31 PM ET
I'm a KU guy, and a short run here and there does not,
-- Big12 guy
Jul 26, 2025 at 04:53 PM ET
Big12 guy
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07/26/25 04:53 PM ET
Agree - Alabama's first ever Final Four was last year - that is a LONG
-- VPI_1998
Jul 27, 2025 at 11:08 AM ET
VPI_1998
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07/27/25 11:08 AM ET
Have you seen their schedule? It's an absolute joke. Worse than any VT has
-- ancient alien 2018
Jul 25, 2025 at 08:30 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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07/25/25 08:30 PM ET
One that Pry would get a 6-6 result?**
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 26, 2025 at 05:37 AM ET
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07/26/25 05:37 AM ET
If they really want ratings, put Bellicheck's GF in hot pants and...
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 25, 2025 at 07:10 PM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/25/25 07:10 PM ET
Short term football success will help, but that goes for any
-- Big12 guy
Jul 25, 2025 at 11:05 AM ET
Big12 guy
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07/25/25 11:05 AM ET
The ACC is a short term conference going forward - win now **
-- AnotherTechW
Jul 25, 2025 at 12:33 PM ET
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