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Well, that video wasn't comparing the Mid2 to the P2.
It was a comparison between the B12 and ACC. Clearly illustrated by the third major graphic that shows the B12 catching up to the ACC in revenue towards 2031 and the re-up of the B12 contract. Thus leaving the viewer with the feeling that long term, the B12 will be a more lucrative conference financially when it re-ups at a higher payout.
I neither agree nor disagree with that implication. (Which is nothing close to being a certainty; the B12 may be more than happy to keep its present payout going another 6 years when 2031 gets here)
What I don't agree with is the notion that the B12 will basically eliminate and catch up to the ACC in regards to the gap of revenue between the two conferences before 2031. In the video, this rate of closure was most attributed to the decrease in revenue of the ACC Network.
This is categorically false, as the ACC Network has only increased in revenue since its inception. And as I stated in my last post, Disney and Fox will not kowtow to large cable companies trying to use a decreasing subscriber base as a way to get out of increasing the amount of money flowing into Disney/Fox coffers. This will only be strengthened by the fact that it is almost certainly live sports fans that will begin to occupy a larger percentage of cable subscribers as non-live sports fans cut the cord at a higher rate.
Basically, the more cord cutters there are, the more important live sports will become to DirecTV, Dish, XFinity, Charter, etc... It will be easier for Disney and Fox to increase its revenue through higher fees charged to these large companies than it will be to move their properties solely to an app-based, paid-subscriber model. But when Dish/DirecTV/Comcast/etc push back hard enough at the bargaining table, at some point Disney and Fox will walk away form the table and that will kill big cable TV.
** Edited by hokieZ71 at 2/17/2025, 12:04:01 PM
Thread Replies (59)
There have been many discussions about how much
-- Big12 guy
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:45 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/16/25 10:45 AM ET
I just thought is would give some clarity to the numbers. Should have
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:02 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:02 AM ET
It should be "us vs them" instead of "us vs us"
-- EDGEMAN
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:57 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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02/17/25 08:57 AM ET
You knew exactly the response.....
-- 2hhoop3
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:42 AM ET
2hhoop3
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02/17/25 08:42 AM ET
Actually you are just like us, grasping at straws that would advance
-- VTCALS72
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:42 AM ET
VTCALS72
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02/17/25 08:42 AM ET
I don’t agree with his flat 5% cord cutting predictor for ACCN payout.
-- hokieZ71
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:49 PM ET
hokieZ71
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02/16/25 10:49 PM ET
I didn't agree with the 5% either, but i have no way of
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:04 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:04 AM ET
Well, that video wasn't comparing the Mid2 to the P2.
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-- hokieZ71
Feb 17, 2025 at 12:00 PM ET
hokieZ71
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02/17/25 12:00 PM ET
Conference realignment has changed the landscape pretty
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 12:09 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 12:09 PM ET
what's the reader's digest on this? don't have 30 minutes to give this guy**
-- MrBayAreaHokie
Feb 16, 2025 at 09:09 PM ET
MrBayAreaHokie
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02/16/25 09:09 PM ET
That the pro rata shares going to ACC and Big 12 schools only differ by-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 17, 2025 at 09:44 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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02/17/25 09:44 AM ET
ACC makes $5.3M per member more now, declining to $2.0M by 2030.
-- Truthahn
Feb 17, 2025 at 12:59 PM ET
Truthahn
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02/17/25 12:59 PM ET
It’s Podcast Propaganda, FSU trying to lower penalties, B12 trying to get
-- Stech
Feb 16, 2025 at 11:24 PM ET
Stech
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02/16/25 11:24 PM ET
That may be true, and this board certainly doesn't like the FSU
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:11 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:11 AM ET
What makes something relevant.....
-- 2hhoop3
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:40 AM ET
2hhoop3
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02/17/25 08:40 AM ET
That's fair, but it was the numbers and projections that
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:47 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:47 AM ET
ACC schools projected to make more money than Big12 through at least 2031
-- tarheelblue
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:09 PM ET
tarheelblue
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02/16/25 10:09 PM ET
I'm not sure "more money" is really that relevant when you're talking-
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 17, 2025 at 09:49 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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02/17/25 09:49 AM ET
Every little bit helps.
-- tarheelblue
Feb 17, 2025 at 07:13 PM ET
tarheelblue
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02/17/25 07:13 PM ET
Yeah, I get it - I'm not talking about anyone leaving today, right now.
-- Baltimore_Hokie
Feb 18, 2025 at 09:26 AM ET
Baltimore_Hokie
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02/18/25 09:26 AM ET
Two HUGE questions, will ESPN drop penalties in 2031? Will Oregon State win
-- Stech
Feb 16, 2025 at 05:50 PM ET
Stech
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02/16/25 05:50 PM ET
I didn't hear it that way. Sure, it was on a B12
-- Big12 guy
Feb 16, 2025 at 06:25 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/16/25 06:25 PM ET
That’s because you heard it from your B12 perspective. FSU’s sueing the
-- Stech
Feb 16, 2025 at 08:29 PM ET
Stech
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02/16/25 08:29 PM ET
The lower the ACC revenue projection, the less FSU has to pay for its
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:44 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/16/25 10:44 PM ET
Exactly, FSU is just trying to pay less to leave & B12 wants ACC schools.
-- Stech
Feb 16, 2025 at 11:09 PM ET
Stech
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02/16/25 11:09 PM ET
Maybe, but where are the numbers wrong? The FSU guy put out his numbers,
-- Big12 guy
Feb 16, 2025 at 09:58 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/16/25 09:58 PM ET
0% inflation assumption is flat out wrong. We all know watching sports is
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:47 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/16/25 10:47 PM ET
You have told the board how right you have been, so
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:06 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:06 AM ET
Both networks have escalation of (4.5%)? - what ever
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 11:47 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 11:47 AM ET
We'll see what happens in 2031.**
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 17, 2025 at 02:43 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/17/25 02:43 PM ET
Yes wrong IMHO, he forecasted an ACC drop off for cable hookups,but not B12
-- Stech
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:39 PM ET
Stech
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02/16/25 10:39 PM ET
The B12 doesn't have a network, and receives no money directly from
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 08:15 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 08:15 AM ET
Conference Channel is a big asset, because ESPN makes 50%, the B12 would
-- Stech
Feb 17, 2025 at 09:09 AM ET
Stech
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02/17/25 09:09 AM ET
This is where there is a fork in the road. The ACCN
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 09:51 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 09:51 AM ET
ACCN is increasing 💵, prove that’s it’s not please. I didn’t read past
-- Stech
Feb 17, 2025 at 10:24 AM ET
Stech
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02/17/25 10:24 AM ET
Both the ACC and B12 have yearly escalators in their
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 11:40 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 11:40 AM ET
FSU is gone, they have one goal reduce or eliminate the penalties, if ESPN
-- Stech
Feb 17, 2025 at 12:15 PM ET
Stech
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02/17/25 12:15 PM ET
It really doesn't matter what we think, the actual amounts
-- Big12 guy
Feb 16, 2025 at 05:07 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/16/25 05:07 PM ET
I applaud the effort by the FSU guy, but come on, 0% inflation just doesn’t
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 16, 2025 at 07:58 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/16/25 07:58 PM ET
ESPN owns all of the media rights. Any deal with CW will go into their
-- Big12 guy
Feb 16, 2025 at 09:55 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/16/25 09:55 PM ET
I think you are wrong.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 16, 2025 at 10:50 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/16/25 10:50 PM ET
So, first off, I stand corrected if I'm wrong on that point. Second,
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 07:59 AM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 07:59 AM ET
Well, I found your opinion not that dissimilar from other B12 fans'.
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 17, 2025 at 11:02 AM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/17/25 11:02 AM ET
Well, it's my guess that when you talk about
-- Big12 guy
Feb 17, 2025 at 12:01 PM ET
Big12 guy
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02/17/25 12:01 PM ET
Another typical B12 talking point: Pac-12 implosion
-- RandomAsianGuy
Feb 17, 2025 at 02:40 PM ET
RandomAsianGuy
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02/17/25 02:40 PM ET
I stopped when they show the ACCN going down and basing
-- VTCALS72
Feb 16, 2025 at 12:26 PM ET
VTCALS72
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02/16/25 12:26 PM ET
The video has good information. The estimate for the ACC's and Big XII's
-- VTHokie2000
Feb 16, 2025 at 11:06 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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02/16/25 11:06 AM ET