UVA and VT are pretty wired together, and the outsiders are really beginning to understand that. NC State and UNC. well. interesting .. we all know UNC has one university the UNC system. One state wide colleges at Raleigh, Chapel Hill Greensboro etc etc... UNC Chapel Hill have always felt they were aloof from the system (sounds Like UCLA and University of California system. I think during the recent ACC words, that long term retired CEO of IMG support advised Boo Corrigan that UNC was having discussions (and not with State mentioned to leave). that info was critical for NC State to change the vote to accept Stanford, cal and SMU in. (also he's a good friend of the Chancellor of the UNC system and the Chancellor directed, that no local campus leadership can have any discussion involving conference realignment without his approval and his guidance, we expect both to be included. (UNC was not happy)... I think at the end, my thinking is all 4 of us go to the SEC. and FSU, Clemson and Miami to the Big 10 The key is when/?? When the SEC stated how happy at 16 they are,.. very interesting.. or calling a bluff. and then hearing the Big 10 wants to pause to settle out the 18 members. interesting. When they are quiet is when all the trouble hits