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Maroon Baboon
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7 reasons why he's wrong.

This delta bravo was wrong about everything related to the Pac-12 blowup. And he's wrong about almost everything here. 1. In a way, this is somewhat of a zero sum game. If the ACC loses FSU to the P2, the gap between the ACC and the big time gets even wider. 2. None of this happens in a vacuum. If the ACC lets FSU out, it WILL be viewed as weaker (i.e., devalued in the future). 3. He mentioned that it has to be done in a way that won't make others want to go. Oh? How exactly is that done? The only difference between Clemson and FSU right now is that FSU is crying, and Clemson is quiet. When Clemson and others see that crying will get you a "deal", well, get ready for a lot more crying. 4. He leaves out perhaps the most material point. How much would "a deal" look like? 450 million? 200 million? 100 million? The amount matters. And if it isn't enough to split 16 or so ways and have it move the needle for individual schools, then what's the point in making a deal? 5. He seems to not have a stomach for conflict and bad PR. "The ACC and FSU both look bad. So make a deal." I got news for him. Both will look bad after a deal as well. But one party will make out and the other won't. And I have a feeling that in a deal, the ACC would be the one to get hosed. 6. His liddle sojourn down Tobacco Road memory lane was quaint, and foolish. The P2 have accumulated almost all the massive brands in the sport, not to mention time zones, TV markets, and large states. Meanwhile, this dolt is talking about Tobacco Road, which encompasses a few medium sized states, as being undervalued. Really? Pray tell, who will pony up and pay the ACC what this dude thinks they're worth? 7. He makes another flaw in logic by acting like it's a big deal to be #3 in the conference arms race. But this isn't a rank-order game. Track position doesn't matter. It's all about one conference's total value versus another. And right now, "Number 3" is getting lapped by Number 2 and Number 1. So who cares how close Number 4 is. Yeah. I know the ACC might want to hide things and prevent this from going to trial. But I think they need to go to the mat here. Any deal other than something very close to the full price of the exit costs will just lead to the ACC breaking up anyway. So, the ACC might as well go to the mat. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 2/28/2024, 11:35:18 PM
Posted: 02/28/2024 at 07:52 PM ET
(In response to this post by Will Stewart)

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From Tony Altimore on Twitter: Should the ACC just cut a deal with FSU?
Will StewartAdmin 02/28/24 10:46 AM ET
This Pac shrill is terrible with predictions and conclusions.
HouClone 02/29/24 07:50 AM ET
This guy is wrong about everything
Millpoint 02/28/24 08:22 PM ET
7 reasons why he's wrong.
Maroon Baboon 02/28/24 07:52 PM ET
They were always going to cut a deal. The only question is the
133193Hokie 02/28/24 05:28 PM ET
The article has three flaws
LeadingEdge 02/28/24 04:00 PM ET
#2 is wrong. Existing ACC schools will be well ahead of the new Big 12 deal
SMU Pony 02/28/24 11:39 PM ET
Ok, post the comparison when the subsidies end**
HouClone 02/29/24 03:35 PM ET
That would depend on the Big 12's next deal (after 2031)**
SMU Pony 02/29/24 09:04 PM ET
Define "well ahead". You can have the higher media payout if that is
Big12 guy 02/29/24 07:23 AM ET
I think existing schools will take home about 25% more than B12 schools...
SMU Pony 02/29/24 09:08 PM ET
I won't take a guess on the numbers, but the ACC as it's configured today
Big12 guy 03/01/24 07:21 AM ET
Guy thinks no one else will leave if they settle w/ FSU, Brooklyn 🌉 sale &
Stech 02/28/24 02:14 PM ET
This is absolutely priceless and sums up the world we live in...
jesuisvtguy 02/28/24 01:09 PM ET
It has some humorous quips
Vippie1 02/28/24 12:18 PM ET
I see no reason for the ACC to make a deal. I consider individuals who
saret 02/28/24 11:43 AM ET
Nothing really of substance. We all know FSU is going
HokieAl 02/28/24 11:37 AM ET
I disagree on his #4 point and #6 point.
Atlee Hokie 02/28/24 11:17 AM ET
Very reasonable analysis
VT ChemE 1986 02/28/24 11:09 AM ET
Probably planned when they brought Cal
HokieKick`nBack 02/28/24 11:04 AM ET
The ACC leadership (ie.e ACC Presidents) were fat, dumb, and happy with
133193Hokie 02/28/24 05:32 PM ET
That, and the ACC could have plucked the B12 leftovers. KU in
Big12 guy 02/28/24 05:48 PM ET
It's about survival. When the look in happens in '26, let FOX bid for
Big12 guy 02/28/24 11:31 AM ET
This would destroy the ACC network and that revenue stream. **
Sunsetunderground 02/28/24 11:54 AM ET
How so? The better games would be put on linier TV, and there would still
Big12 guy 02/28/24 11:59 AM ET
Why would people want a network when most the games are on ESPN ABC or Fox
Sunsetunderground 02/28/24 12:42 PM ET
It's about exposure and recruiting. How many high school players subscribe
Big12 guy 02/28/24 12:50 PM ET