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I can maybe shed some light here....
These days I work in more of an outpatient-ish situation (the bone marrow transplant clinic), but for the first 11 years of my career I was inpatient and my specialty was ICU and vented patients. Here are some of the things you need to watch out for in news reports, from which you'll get incomplete and non-technical snippets.
Vent settings: There are several parameters which are varied to select the nature of ventilation for a patient: 1) Percentage of O2, anything from 100% to natural ambient levels; 2) Respiratory rate. The start of a provided breath could be triggered by patient breathing action, or be fully automatic with a specified frequency; 3) The "shape" of the breath. Ventilation profile (i.e. pressure graph) of a breath could be "square topped", for instance, which would mean instantly providing a pressure of X for the full duration of the breath -- or the pressure could build to a peak and then decline toward the end of the breath. 4) PEEP, or the residual air pressure left in the system after a breath which helps keep the lungs inflated. Patients with a lot of gummy infectious residue in the lungs would need a lot of PEEP. Cardiac patients like Hamlin wouldn't have many secretions like that.
All of these parameters are selected by the physician and RT to optimize breathing while minimizing barotrauma (i.e. damage from over inflating the lungs. Hamlin, for example, started this adventure on 100% O2, probably because cardiac output was initially poor. As cardiac performance improves, levels of O2 could be reduced and still achieve the same ventilation. Last I heard, Hamlin was down to 50%.
Sedation. With high levels of ventilation (elevated PEEP, high pressures, certain breath shapes) the patient can be very uncomfortable and must be sedated. Typically the sedation is fentanyl and midazolam, and levels will be such that the patient is OUT. But as breathing performance improves, sedation can be lessened somewhat -- the patient won't need to fight the vent as much. As performance improves even more, you'll be thinking about wanting to extubate the patient and let them breathe on their own. In order to extubate someone, you have got to wake them up first (or at least mostly wake them up). At the reduced vent settings appropriate for a patient about to be extubated, the vent action will seem more natural to the patient and they can certainly bear it.
So I hear stories about Hamlin being awake and writing pretty coherent messages to the docs. That is an entirely consistent picture for a patient that is still intubated with reduced settings, but is well down the road to getting off the vent. Asking the patient questions and having them write answers is totally something that might be done to help assess neuro status prior to outright breathing trials. I have personally done this exercise many times.
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Sooooo.... I'd be pretty optimistic. The guy was down for a period of time on the field, but not THAT long. CPR was right away. The stories about him writing indicate enough neuro integrity to be thinking about getting off the vent. And the fact that they were able to taper vent settings in the first place tells me his overall cardiac performance has improved. All that sounds good to me, and remember this dude is a 24 y.o. football player, not one of my pre-compromised oncology patients.
From the disconnected non-medical news drips on his case I've seen nothing so far that is nonsensical, and it mostly looks like a GOOD picture too.
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Almost unbelievable updates on Hamlin from the doctors
-- s.mill hokie
Jan 05, 2023 at 01:49 PM ET
s.mill hokie
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01/05/23 01:49 PM ET
I can maybe shed some light here....
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-- VToncologyNurse
Jan 05, 2023 at 06:05 PM ET
VToncologyNurse
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01/05/23 06:05 PM ET
Supposedly they told him this...........**
-- HokieDan95
Jan 05, 2023 at 04:17 PM ET
HokieDan95
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01/05/23 04:17 PM ET
It’s what I would have told him. 👍🏻**
-- B777Fr8Dog
Jan 05, 2023 at 04:45 PM ET
B777Fr8Dog
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01/05/23 04:45 PM ET
"games not over. get your ass back out there"**
-- HokieDan95
Jan 05, 2023 at 04:50 PM ET
HokieDan95
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01/05/23 04:50 PM ET
I did make my daughter get back on her horse when it bucked up and fell
-- B777Fr8Dog
Jan 05, 2023 at 05:03 PM ET
B777Fr8Dog
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01/05/23 05:03 PM ET
just kidding. doctor gave a good response**
-- HokieDan95
Jan 05, 2023 at 05:06 PM ET
HokieDan95
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01/05/23 05:06 PM ET
I’m not, we did make our daughter get back on. And you’re right. 👍🏻**
-- B777Fr8Dog
Jan 05, 2023 at 05:20 PM ET
B777Fr8Dog
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01/05/23 05:20 PM ET
Distraction is a powerful parenting tool.**
-- MP4VT2004
Jan 05, 2023 at 08:07 PM ET
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01/05/23 08:07 PM ET
I’d be really surprised if he was awake and still intubated. I don’t think
-- reconhokie
Jan 05, 2023 at 03:41 PM ET
reconhokie
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01/05/23 03:41 PM ET
I just took the comment as a feeding tube. Saw my best friend's daughter
-- Vtskier1
Jan 05, 2023 at 04:03 PM ET
Vtskier1
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01/05/23 04:03 PM ET
Healthy person with immediate care
-- turkeywinghokie
Jan 05, 2023 at 03:27 PM ET
turkeywinghokie
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01/05/23 03:27 PM ET
Yeah, I was going to say...this doesn't shock me at all.
-- MP4VT2004
Jan 05, 2023 at 05:53 PM ET
MP4VT2004
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01/05/23 05:53 PM ET
Not surprised. I’ve seen a lot worse. It’s great that he’s communicating in
-- reconhokie
Jan 05, 2023 at 03:42 PM ET
reconhokie
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01/05/23 03:42 PM ET
And his Doctors say he was only resuscitated once...on the field.
-- great2bahokie
Jan 05, 2023 at 02:25 PM ET
great2bahokie
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01/05/23 02:25 PM ET
All those reports were based on what his uncle said
-- HokieJamie
Jan 05, 2023 at 02:53 PM ET
HokieJamie
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01/05/23 02:53 PM ET
Resuscitation can have multiple meanings in the hospital
-- localhokiekid
Jan 05, 2023 at 02:49 PM ET
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01/05/23 02:49 PM ET