Beginning of WWI England/Churchill did not sell Turkey 2 of them
And Turkey had already paid for them and was ready to pick them up. As such this pushed the Ottoman Empire toward the Axis power- though this is disputed because it is believed that Turkey was already moving in that direction. That precipitated the Middle East to no longer being under the Ottoman Empire. This created the drawing of the countries borders without any real rhyme or reason other than the interests of the English and French and created divisions and issues that continue to the present day.
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As a sidenote, here's the most awesome Naval history YouTube channel...**
-- Chris Coleman
Jul 10, 2026 at 10:19 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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07/10/26 10:19 AM ET
shout out for recommending World at War! its fantastic!**
-- AnotherTechW
Jul 10, 2026 at 12:45 PM ET
AnotherTechW
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07/10/26 12:45 PM ET
ding, ding, ding, correct!
-- lilhokie525
Jul 10, 2026 at 07:38 AM ET
lilhokie525
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07/10/26 07:38 AM ET
Beginning of WWI England/Churchill did not sell Turkey 2 of them
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-- turkeywinghokie
Jul 10, 2026 at 12:52 PM ET
turkeywinghokie
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07/10/26 12:52 PM ET
Actually, Dreadnought had 12" guns.
-- Chris Coleman
Jul 10, 2026 at 08:41 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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07/10/26 08:41 AM ET
And eventually 18.1" guns on the Yamato
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 10, 2026 at 09:09 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/10/26 09:09 AM ET
Correct. Nasty, but pointless.**
-- Chris Coleman
Jul 10, 2026 at 09:31 AM ET
Chris Coleman
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07/10/26 09:31 AM ET
Especially since we sent both BBs in that class to the bottom.
-- EDGEMAN
Jul 10, 2026 at 11:59 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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07/10/26 11:59 AM ET