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Vienna_Hokie
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the difference is Hamas targeted women and children

Israel has no choice but to kill innocent women and children because Hamas hides among them. The Palestinian people have been chosen as martyrs by Iran and the other Islamofacists countries because their deaths create great media to make the Israelis the bad guys. Starting first with Egypt and now on to Iran, they have forced the Palestinian people to die and live in terror for their own political gains. Israel does not and has never wanted a pound of flesh. They are doing what the great western powers have never allowed them to do, they are destroying the terrorist organizations that hide among the human shields. Hamas and Hezbollah are single handedly responsible for every Lebanese and Palestinian civilian death because of their actions because they chose to hide among them.
Posted: 10/21/2024 at 01:24 PM ET
(In response to this post by WestyHokie)

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If reports of a leak of Israel's strike plans are true... holy F
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 11:59 AM ET
I think it was coordinated by both sides
Victor Tango • 10/21/24 01:50 PM ET
absolutely an intentional leak by the US
HokieAl • 10/21/24 02:21 PM ET
You can blame Hamas for the fact that we are having this discussion.
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 07:16 PM ET
The "fun" part is PM isn't listening to US, and knows decision will impact
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 02:53 PM ET
we have no one in charge really- its chaos **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:22 PM ET
It’s even worse than that. **
reconhokie • 10/21/24 03:52 PM ET
Karine Jean-Pierre is secretly in charge & pulling the strings. **
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 06:31 PM ET
Have you seen the doc? SNF TK FVEY. If real, bad leak. Format, hmmm**
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 12:46 PM ET
IIRC, when the U.S. got Bin Laden the Obama admin did not notify...
Spud • 10/21/24 12:36 PM ET
this**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:26 PM ET
Israel isn't the sole arbiter of right and wrong, either
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:18 PM ET
but they do have a right to try to keep from being wiped off the planet**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:28 PM ET
Not political, just facts: 42,000 people (most women and kids) dead in Gaza
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:32 PM ET
Those are the terrorists’ numbers, correct?**
WestEndHokie39 • 10/21/24 11:00 PM ET
that's the people they steal the food from **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:28 AM ET
Egypt should annex Gaza
Turk Malloy • 10/21/24 03:19 PM ET
they don't want the terrorists that come with it **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 03:48 PM ET
This assumes either side genuinely wants a two-state solution.**
HWA • 10/21/24 02:03 PM ET
what is going to settle it- is a decisive victory by one side **
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:19 PM ET
There have been several
Beerman • 10/21/24 02:32 PM ET
well at the core is religious differences- same fight of 1000 years
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:34 PM ET
Germany had more WW2 deaths than England, does that mean they were right?**
soldcokesatLane • 10/21/24 01:20 PM ET
How many times have the Palestinians been offered a two state solution?
Happy Dog • 10/21/24 01:09 PM ET
A two-state solution is impossible when one "state's" stated goal is....
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:02 PM ET
But at what point is enough enough? Does Israel get a free pass to continue
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:24 PM ET
The country allows a terrorist group to run inside it..**
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:30 AM ET
I don’t think innocent women and children “allow” anything. **
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:54 AM ET
leadership made a decision to sacrfice them - you are right **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 12:20 PM ET
Sure if you also think that the Oct 7 victims were “sacrificed” because of
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:27 PM ET
that's the rumor- to start the war,,,, who knows **
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 01:07 PM ET
Don't necessarily disagree...now the follow up question...
vthokieq • 10/21/24 01:01 PM ET
I took an Arab-Israeli Conflict class in college.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 01:05 PM ET
Yassar Coleman couldn’t make peace. **
GreenvilleVT • 10/21/24 07:14 PM ET
When I was at VT, we hosted panel with Israeli and SA journalists in 1985
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 04:25 PM ET
Even with no Israel, there wouldn't be peace in the Middle East.**
Atlee Hokie • 10/21/24 02:48 PM ET
Agree.
RJHokie • 10/22/24 09:59 AM ET
Ding ding ding ding ding
vthokieq • 10/21/24 01:07 PM ET
Yep. It was a good 12-15 countries/interest groups, I think.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 01:39 PM ET
Since 1948, that is status quo until it's not**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 02:49 PM ET
This goes way farther back than WWI or WWII
calihokie • 10/21/24 05:59 PM ET
yep, post WWII redrawing of maps. With a direct tie to WWI and who lost
HokieAl • 10/21/24 03:00 PM ET
Because those different religious groups...
vthokieq • 10/22/24 08:05 AM ET
Bingo!**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 04:13 PM ET
i think if one of your core principles is that the other people shouldn't
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 01:15 PM ET
Especially if both side's core principal is that the other side shouldn't **
Hokie Chris • 10/21/24 01:22 PM ET
Only one side believes the other shouldn't exist in the sense that...
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:43 PM ET
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BleedinOandM • 10/21/24 02:20 PM ET
How about….Give up the hostages and surrender. Otherwise you are complicit**
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 12:59 PM ET
So your options are have Hamas kill you or have Israel kill you? Not sure
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:28 PM ET
Per estimates I have seen, there are less than 20,000 Hamas fighters.....
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 10:32 PM ET
The fact that you are tying yourself in knots to try to justify the killing
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 11:45 PM ET
How do you solve the problem and leave Hamas in power? You can’t…..
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/21/24 11:57 PM ET
Your response doesn’t address my post. But if your “solution” to
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:11 AM ET
It’s not like you really addressed my post either…..Nonetheless….
CrystalCoveHokie • 10/22/24 12:51 AM ET
is there any act you can think of that if it wasn't done- the situation
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 12:53 PM ET
Who the hell would post this in this context? **
PhotoHokieNC • 10/21/24 12:21 PM ET
Someone who would leak classified docs because they know better
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 12:25 PM ET
See my answer above; unless you all are discussing something new ...
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:34 PM ET
the difference is Hamas targeted women and children ◄
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 01:24 PM ET
It is incredibly rich for Americans to sit in comfort and lecture Israel...
MP4VT2004 • 10/21/24 01:46 PM ET
It is incredibly rich for Americans to sit in comfort and lecture civilians
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 11:50 PM ET
To be fair....
vthokieq • 10/22/24 08:08 AM ET
Agreed!**
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:47 AM ET
Sounds like a talking point; there is good data, and possible solutions
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 04:29 PM ET
So it's Israel's fault that the countries around them want them all dead?
Vienna_Hokie • 10/21/24 05:55 PM ET
Completely random tangent but I really wish that “definition of insanity”
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:02 AM ET
i would say it's not Americans- but America haters...**
bigbadbird • 10/21/24 02:18 PM ET
Ah the good old, "you don't agree with my opinion so you must hate America"
AbsolutVT03 • 10/21/24 09:39 PM ET
No. I think if you fund Iran and recommend they get Nukes
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 08:17 AM ET
Well the discussion was Israel killing civilians but nice straw man you
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 11:56 AM ET
iran was funded- iran funded oct 7- etc,,,,**
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 12:19 PM ET
Cool… has zero bearing on justifying killing civilians and whether people
AbsolutVT03 • 10/22/24 12:25 PM ET
were you as outraged over Oct 7- or just the dominating retribution?
bigbadbird • 10/22/24 01:23 PM ET
In what context? I don't want to answer until I understand your thinking**
WestyHokie • 10/21/24 12:24 PM ET
Yep plant something to smoke out the leak. A colleague did that
Va AandM • 10/21/24 12:18 PM ET
We did that at work a to suspected mole. Embarrassing how fast it got back.**
TomTurkey • 10/21/24 02:52 PM ET
Yup. An oldie but goodie gambit.**
ColoVT82 • 10/21/24 12:48 PM ET
Tyrian Lannister perfected it in GoT.**
Chris ColemanAdmin • 10/21/24 12:30 PM ET