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This is a bit like deciding you don't want to use a couple
ingredients in a dish you're making because you don't like them as stand alone ingredients...
You put a lot of work into this and it is really quite interesting to look at! I'm not sure the point you are trying to make is one that should be thought about too much.
At the end of the day you need a roster full of 4* and 5* kids to compete at a high level. You stand a much better chance at hitting on those kids than you do a roster full of 3* kids. Also, remember, high school recruiting is a bit challenging. You are predicting how well a kid will do at the next level based on physical metrics and the good old fashioned "eye test". Anyone can miss something along the way there. Lastly, there are a ton of variables once these kids leave high school... Do they stay healthy? How committed are they going to be to the S&C program? How well does the scheme they are part of fit their skill set, and if it doesn't, are they going to get the development they need? How well will these kids mesh with the coaching staff and teammates? That will impact development as well. There are more, but my point is this - take any one of the "overrated" kids and dig a little. I wonder if you'll find some variables that might indicate circumstances led to what happened more than the fact that they were overrated. For example - I would argue that Michael Holmes was grossly underrated coming out of HHS. He happened to be running behind one of the worst, if not the worst, run blocking lines in the history of VT football. Additionally, his career was cut short because of some VT "politics" (I'll leave it at that). That kid was an absolute stud who didn't have the opportunity to develop and would have likely fallen into the "overrated" category on your list.
Again, I appreciate the work you put in here. It was quite the dig and a very interesting read, ,so don't hear me saying what you posted isn't helpful. I just thought I'd offer some perspective from my vantage point.
Thread Replies (56)
I give you credit for using your VT statistics degree for us.
-- VaTechie
Jun 19, 2026 at 08:30 PM ET
VaTechie
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06/19/26 08:30 PM ET
I take issue with page 71, paragraph 5, sentence 3.**
-- Hate2SeeItEnd Hokie
Jun 19, 2026 at 06:54 PM ET
Hate2SeeItEnd Hokie
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06/19/26 06:54 PM ET
Wow I think you defended your thesis well. I will try to consolidate all
-- uber hokie
Jun 19, 2026 at 06:36 PM ET
uber hokie
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06/19/26 06:36 PM ET
Let's talk about these talented players in five years.
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 06:31 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 06:31 AM ET
I gave this a like because it was…
-- VPI63
Jun 19, 2026 at 06:24 PM ET
VPI63
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06/19/26 06:24 PM ET
You can click on the link at the bottom to see the previous year's analysis
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 06:33 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 06:33 AM ET
hmmmmmm... so, yer sayin' thar's a, chance?
-- bourbonstreet
Jun 19, 2026 at 06:21 PM ET
bourbonstreet
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06/19/26 06:21 PM ET
I put the percentages below for the nine year period
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 06:37 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 06:37 AM ET
Agree with you or not, I have to admire the amount of work you put in**
-- HokieNL
Jun 19, 2026 at 02:32 PM ET
HokieNL
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06/19/26 02:32 PM ET
Credibiltiy check: You said VT has better contributors than Ohio State. **
-- Techsupport
Jun 19, 2026 at 02:00 PM ET
Techsupport
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06/19/26 02:00 PM ET
FWIW, the entire notion that HS recruiting is a revenue stream...
-- Beerman
Jun 19, 2026 at 01:10 PM ET
Beerman
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06/19/26 01:10 PM ET
You seem to be an expert in recruiting
-- Hardcore_Hokie
Jun 19, 2026 at 12:31 PM ET
Hardcore_Hokie
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06/19/26 12:31 PM ET
Nobody can accurately predict with certainty the success of the recruits
-- Flanker
Jun 19, 2026 at 01:06 PM ET
Flanker
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06/19/26 01:06 PM ET
I guess I don’t understand how this suggests Star ratings
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 19, 2026 at 11:26 AM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/19/26 11:26 AM ET
^^^This right here^^^ Hammer meets nail! @Flanker lots of great
-- U2Hokie
Jun 20, 2026 at 03:47 PM ET
U2Hokie
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06/20/26 03:47 PM ET
Here’s a quick synopsis of the estimating small proportions
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 20, 2026 at 05:35 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/20/26 05:35 PM ET
P&J only looked at ONE year instead of all NINE years
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 04:57 PM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 04:57 PM ET
@Flanker I'd like to see your contribution metric for 3 and 4 stars
-- U2Hokie
Jun 20, 2026 at 08:57 PM ET
U2Hokie
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06/20/26 08:57 PM ET
TY - Have a great Fathers day if appropriate!
-- U2Hokie
Jun 21, 2026 at 10:50 AM ET
U2Hokie
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06/21/26 10:50 AM ET
OK - keep on chuggin those numbers out as a historian/auditor 5 yrs later -
-- U2Hokie
Jun 21, 2026 at 04:37 PM ET
U2Hokie
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06/21/26 04:37 PM ET
I'm doing one more year so I'll have TEN years of data.
-- Flanker
Jun 21, 2026 at 06:49 PM ET
Flanker
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06/21/26 06:49 PM ET
10-4 TY - The Athletic reranked with the benefit of history and only 11
-- U2Hokie
Jun 21, 2026 at 07:05 PM ET
U2Hokie
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06/21/26 07:05 PM ET
Interesting but I object to some of their methods and conclusions
-- Flanker
Jun 21, 2026 at 11:24 AM ET
Flanker
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06/21/26 11:24 AM ET
If attrition rates include transfer portal I’m surprised it’s not higher
-- uber hokie
Jun 19, 2026 at 06:28 PM ET
uber hokie
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06/19/26 06:28 PM ET
This is a bit like deciding you don't want to use a couple
◄
-- BuffaloTraceHokie
Jun 19, 2026 at 04:14 PM ET
BuffaloTraceHokie
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06/19/26 04:14 PM ET
Need a bunch of 4s for sure
-- crazylane
Jun 19, 2026 at 10:37 PM ET
crazylane
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06/19/26 10:37 PM ET
Too many four stars are overrated
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 08:48 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 08:48 AM ET
If you're not getting you're share of 4 stars(double digits maybe)
-- crazylane
Jun 20, 2026 at 04:40 PM ET
crazylane
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06/20/26 04:40 PM ET
This analysis says dont worry - 3's are just as good if not better than 4's
-- U2Hokie
Jun 22, 2026 at 07:16 AM ET
U2Hokie
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06/22/26 07:16 AM ET
I appreciate the response. And I won't go into it here, but...
-- BuffaloTraceHokie
Jun 24, 2026 at 09:49 AM ET
BuffaloTraceHokie
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06/24/26 09:49 AM ET
What do you mean by attrition rate? **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 19, 2026 at 12:48 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/19/26 12:48 PM ET
All that means is that base rates of success are
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 19, 2026 at 04:24 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/19/26 04:24 PM ET
The rankings are certainly unreliable
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 06:54 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 06:54 AM ET
I don’t know anyone who thinks the predictive validity
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 20, 2026 at 09:01 AM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/20/26 09:01 AM ET
It sounds like we might agree that the rankings are unreliable
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 09:15 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 09:15 AM ET
You just plucked an arbitrary number out of thin air.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Jun 20, 2026 at 10:00 AM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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06/20/26 10:00 AM ET
So you're happy with 50% accuracy?
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 10:43 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 10:43 AM ET
Also the NFL Draft is BS, the NBA Draft is BS, Stock Market is BS.
-- Hardcore_Hokie
Jun 20, 2026 at 04:21 PM ET
Hardcore_Hokie
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06/20/26 04:21 PM ET
I hope we agree that .300 is really bad for predictions.
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 10:56 AM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 10:56 AM ET
I conducted an AUDIT and the recruiting service algorithms FAILED.
-- Flanker
Jun 20, 2026 at 05:13 PM ET
Flanker
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06/20/26 05:13 PM ET
Sorry about that. I meant recruits that don't contribute.
-- Flanker
Jun 19, 2026 at 12:55 PM ET
Flanker
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06/19/26 12:55 PM ET
I'll save you some time. You don't need to look at any other year.
-- UEMcGill
Jun 19, 2026 at 11:02 AM ET
UEMcGill
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06/19/26 11:02 AM ET
I'm doing one more year. I'll just find other ways to waste time.
-- Flanker
Jun 19, 2026 at 01:08 PM ET
Flanker
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06/19/26 01:08 PM ET
I sometimes wonder if the schools they select is another variable.
-- TekkNerd
Jun 19, 2026 at 11:19 AM ET
TekkNerd
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06/19/26 11:19 AM ET
Picking the school with the best scheme and coaches is important.
-- Flanker
Jun 19, 2026 at 05:17 PM ET
Flanker
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06/19/26 05:17 PM ET
I agree with this assessment. If a 4 star player is
-- vthogon
Jun 19, 2026 at 12:57 PM ET
vthogon
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06/19/26 12:57 PM ET
High School Recruiting Rankings are meant to be a projection.
-- Flanker
Jun 19, 2026 at 05:23 PM ET
Flanker
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06/19/26 05:23 PM ET