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If football fails, non-rev wont exist at the same level, back to the A-10

Non-revs are going to have to take a back-seat for a while, VT invested in them heavily from 2003 to 2015, to get them on par with ACC peer's. Now we have to get football back to 10 win seasons. If that means we have to cut funding from other places, for the short term, then so be it. I dont want to see scholarships cut, but it might be time to trim around the edges. I think softball would be an interesting case study. Lets say the university made a 1 time investment in softball of 15 million for a new stadium, that supported ticketing, had suites, better and more seating, and could be used to generate revenue in other ways ie renting it out the suites for tailgating, ect. Would that be enough to make softball revenue neutral on an annual basis. If so then its likely worth considering, if not then imo the return doesnt justify the investment.
Posted: 08/11/2025 at 12:33 PM ET
(In response to this post by saret)

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Great discussion on Whit's BoV presentation...
Telionis • 08/10/25 03:15 PM ET
So here is my question
Squatro • 08/11/25 02:42 PM ET
That's why I don't like the value slides. VT as a school is doing good
HokieAl • 08/11/25 03:51 PM ET
VT’s athletic success spurred the momentum. Without the football success
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:49 PM ET
Sunk cost. That's in the past. What matters is impact to the future
HokieAl • 08/11/25 04:57 PM ET
Agree to disagree **
hokiepro • 08/11/25 05:26 PM ET
Could our football program's performance in recent years be the cause?**
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 04:54 AM ET
Cause of what? **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:37 AM ET
Decrease in donations...
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 11:44 AM ET
Just the opposite
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 12:14 PM ET
In fairness, kind of a chicken/egg thing.**
saret • 08/11/25 12:17 PM ET
What was? Fuente called out the deficiencies
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:47 PM ET
Him being right about $$$ begs the question of his ability to coach.
Riverguy • 08/11/25 09:24 PM ET
Winning percentage is higher than the guy that we have now....**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 07:54 PM ET
All the more reason VT may have been foolish for having tunnel vision for
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
I’m sure it hasn’t helped. **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:51 AM ET
Classic message board post.**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:19 AM ET
If it is then we will never be able rise even to the top of the little p2
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:12 AM ET
How about having a program with LBs who know where to go after...
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 07:59 AM ET
To use a football metaphor...this is called "moving the goalposts"**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:20 AM ET
I guess having players lost on the field is a moving goalpost.**
EDGEMAN • 08/11/25 09:59 AM ET
No, but changing the topic when your horse is dead is**
marcbvtgm • 08/12/25 04:05 PM ET
Well perception of wash st and oregon st has crashed
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 07:37 AM ET
The "__ Tech" and "___ State" schools are at a disadvantage it seems...
VT757to276 • 08/11/25 09:44 AM ET
man... this is good! thx--------->**
bourbonstreet • 08/11/25 12:58 AM ET
Really looks like the argument being made is for the BOV to accept the VTAD
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:04 PM ET
There are enough instances, TCU recently, 90's VT, Clemson resurgence...
HokieKick`nBack • 08/11/25 01:00 PM ET
Should have been a private equity presentation.
HokieKick`nBack • 08/11/25 12:54 PM ET
I would suggest the Saudi PIC fund but the dude in charge is a WVU grad
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:18 PM ET
Agree. If it's this bad in the ACC, we're at least double that amount in
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 09:03 AM ET
So vast it is a fools errand to chase "national" standing
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:18 AM ET
The exposure slides were bad
HokieAl • 08/10/25 11:18 PM ET
Is there a strong argument other than college football fanaticism?
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:22 AM ET
There is no argument, now. VT had a window of opportunity in the early 200s
NokieHokie • 08/11/25 09:19 AM ET
We've proved this over and over again with the Hokie Club charts themselves
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 12:26 PM ET
It wasn't just the leaders that got complacent...**
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:23 AM ET
I'd like to know HOW revenue got so low compared to other ACC schools**
hokeyhokie • 08/10/25 08:53 PM ET
"Gradually, then suddenly..."
marcbvtgm • 08/11/25 09:30 AM ET
This is on the BOV Not the athletic department
1947Sunbowl • 08/11/25 09:51 AM ET
You do realize that the athletic department could have informed the BOV of
NokieHokie • 08/11/25 10:04 AM ET
We HAVE to raise student athletic fees. No other choice
hokiepro • 08/10/25 06:08 PM ET
this is a joke, right? **
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 11:56 AM ET
No…but I didn’t clarify
hokiepro • 08/11/25 12:00 PM ET
I don't think it's right to mandate such a fee for students there for an
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 03:57 PM ET
Give me a break, until this year we charged more for parking.
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 04:42 PM ET
Good luck with attracting recent grads into the Hokie Club**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:14 PM ET
Agreed. Don't go to the game. Fees should target users...
ModerateHokie • 08/12/25 11:16 AM ET
Correct**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/12/25 08:15 PM ET
If you don’t want to pay for football don’t go to college? How messed up
ModerateHokie • 08/11/25 10:17 PM ET
Some students will never attend a VT athletic event or even follow VT
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 05:01 PM ET
Maybe…but should our students pay by FAR the least of any school in VA?
hokiepro • 08/11/25 04:12 PM ET
pro, now that's a valid question. I've always been told
saret • 08/11/25 04:35 PM ET
You are right it is one piece of the puzzle. Does the leadership know how
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:15 PM ET
Quit turning down qualified kids of alums…you turn off the spigot of $$$$$**
Fore_Hokies • 08/11/25 07:31 AM ET
Agreed **
hokiepro • 08/11/25 11:57 AM ET
42.0% of incoming freshmen take out loans to cover their first-year costs
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:01 PM ET
So, there are two sides to this coin IMO
BuffaloTraceHokie • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
JMU is still a few thousand dollars per year cheaper than VT
hucareshokiesrul • 08/11/25 02:57 PM ET
A few numbers...
BuffaloTraceHokie • 08/11/25 08:22 PM ET
I don't disagree. But remember, the state legislature
saret • 08/11/25 01:03 PM ET
The GA will not be an issue imo
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 01:06 PM ET
Only if VT and the other universities show they are making a sincere effort
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 01:12 PM ET
Your a WHOLE LOT more optimistic about politicians
saret • 08/11/25 01:11 PM ET
Where does that data come from?
Pylons • 08/11/25 12:21 PM ET
Well said, AH96. And there is the conundrum. Poor leadership,
saret • 08/11/25 09:50 AM ET
The Commonwealth of VA legislators need to help all state universities as
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 12:30 PM ET
Yes it would, such as in-state rates for out of state
saret • 08/11/25 12:46 PM ET
Bingo tip of cap to @NokieHokie**
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 03:55 PM ET
The only potential bright spot with the presentation is laying out the
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:03 PM ET
Well said. If you accept my premise that "Upper management
saret • 08/11/25 12:28 PM ET
At this point, actions speak louder than words. If the BOV doesn't think
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 12:52 PM ET
👆👆👆👆👊👊👆👆👆👆 BOOM POW!! Tell us the need, where it's going, what
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:01 PM ET
Agreed. As many people say, pay attention to what they
saret • 08/11/25 12:58 PM ET
IMHO, this is the beginning of Whit's swan song. He's prepping the egress
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:10 PM ET
Not quite 15 years, but if he’s here until June 2029 it will be 15.5……**
RJHokie • 08/11/25 06:06 PM ET
Does your post assume that VT's next AD isn't another version of Babcock?
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 04:47 PM ET
Yah, my assumption would be NOT another WB as AD. But you may be on to
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 05:08 PM ET
Bigger thrust make Athletics one main investmetn tenets of the university
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 08:54 PM ET
We do. But it also sucks
HokieAl • 08/10/25 08:22 PM ET
Yep. Screw that. If the players want to be played, they need to earn it.
MP4VT2004 • 08/11/25 11:02 AM ET
Students paying athlete's salaries is absurd. How can that be a solution?**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:32 AM ET
Not the only one…just a small part
hokiepro • 08/11/25 11:54 AM ET
This is the same leadership that brought us to the precipice.
saret • 08/11/25 09:59 AM ET
Ticket prices seat premiums, and talent fees will DEFINITELY come. Heck, UT
91HokieBob • 08/11/25 04:15 PM ET
It is crappy. It will further alienate graduates. **
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:02 PM ET
My guess is they'll copy UTenn, and add a talent fee to tickets.**
saret • 08/10/25 09:52 PM ET
They just raised those fees. And, the state limits those raises
saret • 08/10/25 06:32 PM ET
First the university needs to define the goal of VT athletics. Probably by
40ozDistrict • 08/10/25 06:26 PM ET
OK Its simple big time or not and accept damages
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 08:40 PM ET
We aren't big time now. Where are the damages?**
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:04 PM ET
Potential future damages as a byproduct of any decision made by VT.
VTHokie2000 • 08/11/25 02:37 PM ET
I think that’s sorta the point of the presentation **
hokiepro • 08/10/25 07:35 PM ET
Agreed. He lays it out right at the start. **
Stork • 08/11/25 11:39 AM ET
Of course. My response was about raising student fees.**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:48 AM ET
They need to define what sports in which they realistically
RJHokie • 08/10/25 06:52 PM ET
That sounds like what VT has historically done.
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 07:25 AM ET
Good point CALS. But, who is currently on staff who is capable
saret • 08/11/25 10:07 AM ET
Sorry but the "procrastination" comment is not based in fact
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 01:00 PM ET
CALS, that's a smoke screen, and you know it. Posters have
saret • 08/11/25 01:10 PM ET
The smokescreen is thinking that the posters know more than the AD
VTCALS72 • 08/11/25 01:14 PM ET
Some of the AD deficiencies have been quite obvious over the years.
RJHokie • 08/11/25 02:32 PM ET
Exactly. **
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:12 AM ET
Trying to do those things is like stopping a full-speed
saret • 08/10/25 07:08 PM ET
For sure and the presentation to the BOV is because just about every other
HoustonHokie • 08/10/25 08:03 PM ET
That’s what happens when the athletic director isn’t a visionary
RJHokie • 08/10/25 08:08 PM ET
It's the VT culture not this AD or any other AD. It is VT.**
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:18 AM ET
I am not holding my breath WRT Whit's presentation tomorrow.
Atlee Hokie • 08/10/25 10:23 PM ET
Actually, the presentation is the 18th, not today.**
saret • 08/11/25 10:09 AM ET
.What ever day. I don't expect anything that will rock my world.**
Atlee Hokie • 08/11/25 12:03 PM ET
Me neither. **
saret • 08/11/25 12:30 PM ET
A yawn and a group to write a paper about the presentation. **
40ozDistrict • 08/11/25 12:21 AM ET
I think it's next Tuesday...the 18th. **
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:09 PM ET
Next Monday is the 18th.**
RJHokie • 08/11/25 12:25 PM ET
Yep, it won’t be a quick turnaround for sure.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 07:16 PM ET
Agreed.**
saret • 08/10/25 08:02 PM ET
My disdain for.......
2hhoop3 • 08/10/25 07:27 PM ET
Your last sentence is very true.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 07:40 PM ET
That already exists...
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:08 PM ET
I believe most or perhaps all of VT’s sports have endowed scholarships.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 10:17 PM ET
No, donations are not enough to fully fund non revenues
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 10:20 PM ET
I’m aware that all those revenue sources are taken into consideration
RJHokie • 08/10/25 10:41 PM ET
Or what?
AirborneHokie96 • 08/10/25 11:08 PM ET
Yes, if the minimum number of sports is maintained without the sport and
RJHokie • 08/11/25 12:29 PM ET
Min number is 16 for FBS.
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 10:24 AM ET
hi, that is certainly one solution. I'll let you field your own incoming
saret • 08/11/25 12:16 PM ET
If football fails, non-rev wont exist at the same level, back to the A-10 ◄
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 12:33 PM ET
hi, hope you don't think I was/am disagreeing with you.
saret • 08/11/25 12:53 PM ET
Plus it would be plain stupid to cut 2 of the hottest non-rev sports in the
91HokieBob • 08/12/25 04:13 PM ET
I think both of those sports are safe I think both of those sports are safe
hokieninsurance • 08/11/25 03:07 PM ET
Again, I agree on those two sports. Other non-revs,
saret • 08/11/25 03:23 PM ET
AH96, you answered your own question. Cut sports.
saret • 08/11/25 10:12 AM ET
and tbh they need to be. We aren't competitive enough in them so why fund
Brewing_Hokie • 08/11/25 10:29 AM ET
The Primary, Essential component for a successful college athletic program
HokieHi • 08/10/25 05:00 PM ET
So what is the rationale behind this presentation?
Sunsetunderground • 08/10/25 04:57 PM ET
Some at the meeting prefer to see an emphasis on baseball.**
KCHokie2 • 08/10/25 08:27 PM ET
Its part of a holistic strategic planning session with the BOV
1947Sunbowl • 08/10/25 05:23 PM ET
Good description of the matter.
RJHokie • 08/10/25 05:43 PM ET
Its being discussed on reddit too**
HokieJamie • 08/10/25 04:34 PM ET
Here is the link**
HokieAl • 08/10/25 07:43 PM ET