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TomTurkey
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Results matter

Posted: 06/28/2024 at 12:32 PM ET
(In response to this post by NokieHokie)

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FUENTE , Appology!
Hecklin • 06/25/24 10:31 AM ET
He's a good OC and Group of Coach but was over his head as HC here **
VaTechHokiesACC • 06/28/24 03:07 AM ET
Crazy how things sometimes play out. We thought we hit the lottery with Fu
AirForceHokie77 • 06/26/24 10:02 PM ET
Everything looked great with the hire
VaTechHokiesACC • 06/28/24 03:08 AM ET
Any coach immediately hired to follow after a legend usually fails
GOHOKEE • 06/27/24 09:07 AM ET
No problem. Good post. Thanks**
AirForceHokie77 • 06/29/24 10:48 AM ET
I think Fuente is a decent person and a good coach...
BuffaloTraceHokie • 06/26/24 07:50 PM ET
In his defense, his NIL program
HokieKick`nBack • 06/26/24 06:08 PM ET
I read below where Fu would have succeeded..
VPI63 • 06/26/24 03:56 PM ET
Haha...uhh...he didn't get the buyout until after he left.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/27/24 02:16 PM ET
He took the cut to get paid up front …
VPI63 • 06/28/24 05:42 AM ET
^^ Selective memory. Remember shot across the bow? Fans actually were ok
hokiepro • 06/29/24 09:50 AM ET
Why don’t you and Chris … and all the other FU apologists ..
VPI63 • 06/29/24 08:09 PM ET
Quite the hyperbole
hokiepro • 06/29/24 09:02 PM ET
Well, what I’m hearing is that he is FU the visionary..
VPI63 • 06/29/24 09:33 PM ET
We don’t need to “rehabilitate him”
hokiepro • 06/30/24 12:09 AM ET
Actually, he did threaten to leave.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 10:32 AM ET
It's sad Whit had to be scared. Proactive is always better than reactive.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 10:34 AM ET
Hindsight is 20/20, also**
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 11:40 AM ET
Hindsight was not needed. Proactive benchmarking should always be occurring**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:43 AM ET
Gotta know what to do. He guessed wrongly about status quo.**
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 11:46 AM ET
Status quo should never be an option.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:47 AM ET
Understand I'm not defending him but his decisions count, not mine.**
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 12:22 PM ET
They definitely count. Just many times not in good ways.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 12:26 PM ET
Results matter** ◄
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 12:32 PM ET
And? Are you implying his football results have been good?**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 12:52 PM ET
No, they have consequences. Who's your choice to replace and get it done?**
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 01:14 PM ET
I don't have one.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 01:31 PM ET
He didn’t have to do? Excuse me?
Planner_Hokie • 06/28/24 01:23 AM ET
Sane people don’t allow their kids to bully a head coach’s kids
hokiepro • 06/29/24 09:54 AM ET
LOL. Of course he didn't have to settle. Why would he? VT had no grounds
reestuart • 06/28/24 08:03 AM ET
Wrong
Planner_Hokie • 06/28/24 10:15 AM ET
No, that's not how it worked.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 10:34 AM ET
Was Whit lying then when he said Fu was offered to finish the season? IIRC
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 10:36 AM ET
what would lead you to ask that question? the scenario sounds exactly like
GusDaMan • 06/28/24 10:42 AM ET
CC said he didn't quit. Sounds like he quit to me.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 10:45 AM ET
ah. I would agree with that interpretation, though "quit" sounds a bit
GusDaMan • 06/28/24 10:51 AM ET
He didn't quit the job he was getting fired. But he did quit on his players
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 10:54 AM ET
I'm not sure.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 10:39 AM ET
Thanks. I don't even blame Fu for it. But if he truly was given the option
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 10:42 AM ET
Meh...if you got fired from your job today...
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 11:08 AM ET
Actually no, most people or at least most rational people
Planner_Hokie • 06/28/24 01:41 PM ET
Another reason he left when he did was for his kids’ sake
hokiepro • 06/29/24 10:07 AM ET
It’s not about letting it go
Planner_Hokie • 06/29/24 11:04 AM ET
The funds didn’t come until he was let go. The FEF
hokiepro • 06/29/24 01:31 PM ET
One of our best classes would be destroyed by CornFucious anyway..**
NokieHokie • 06/30/24 02:34 PM ET
I don’t believe Fu has applied for a head coaching job since
RJHokie • 06/29/24 11:19 AM ET
He stepped down before Miami not UVA
hokiepro • 06/29/24 09:37 AM ET
But I don't preach to my players and by extension to the public about "you
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:16 AM ET
What else are they supposed to tell them?
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 11:26 AM ET
It's a good thing I never said I would behave differently. :)**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:30 AM ET
So everybody is a hypocrite. And that's true, if you think about it.**
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 11:32 AM ET
To be clear, I am saying I am not coach preaching loyalty. I'm not a HC who
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:36 AM ET
He also quit on the season where he let the players vote on the bowl game.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 07:39 AM ET
Covid. Probably mentally and physically worn out.
TomTurkey • 06/28/24 11:44 AM ET
Nope. He wanted to go skiing.**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 11:45 AM ET
Yep, he was a victim of circumstances and contributed significantly.
TomTurkey • 06/27/24 04:12 PM ET
I don't think it's fair to say the $10M was his priority. It's not like he
reestuart • 06/27/24 09:39 AM ET
The $10MM you characterize.......
2hhoop3 • 06/26/24 04:10 PM ET
I think it's ultimately on him, but I also don't think VT supported him
reestuart • 06/27/24 11:24 AM ET
Knock Fu if you must but he's NOT a bad coach.....
hokieinoregon • 06/26/24 02:45 PM ET
Fu is a good coach, no doubt.
RJHokie • 06/26/24 03:51 PM ET
How did you like that ACC Championship?
HokieDelNorte • 06/26/24 09:50 AM ET
fu's spirit lives on in our house. behold my prized bathroom cleaning cup:**
squarerootofone • 06/25/24 09:49 PM ET
Lives in our heads…rent free!**
BackInTheBurg • 06/26/24 11:22 AM ET
I wouldn’t even keep it for bathroom cleaning 😂 **
Hokie`79 • 06/26/24 06:34 AM ET
You mean leaving H.S. games b4 'half 'cause: "they ain't Techmen" is NOT
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:25 PM ET
You are correct. Our fans have very low standards for coaches and fall in
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 11:02 PM ET
hard to avoid... new=better & improved and what-not. patience=truthing.
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 11:04 PM ET
Well, assuming VA players are as good as they used to be.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/25/24 08:33 PM ET
Partly supports why I think what Pry says & what Pry does are 2 diff things**
marcbvtgm • 06/27/24 04:24 PM ET
What I've heard about his feelings of the state...
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 10:37 AM ET
Interesting. But what does the VHSL have to do with our recruiting?
Zanderhokie • 06/28/24 11:00 AM ET
Well, I don't think it would help.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/28/24 11:29 AM ET
And its been that way for awhile and nothing is being done. **
IV_Hokie12 • 06/28/24 01:08 PM ET
The VHSL is pretty much like the high school NCAA.
RJHokie • 06/28/24 11:10 AM ET
Looking at the map those Mississippi Universities certainly underachieve
DarylS • 06/26/24 11:23 AM ET
My guess is they aren't "winning the state" over Bama, UGA, etc**
marcbvtgm • 06/27/24 04:15 PM ET
Right, top players from that state often cross the border.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 11:28 AM ET
It was still a failed recruiting strategy. For him to just cut off relation
BackInTheBurg • 06/26/24 09:50 AM ET
I don't disagree with that, but that's not my point.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 10:04 AM ET
That's got to be the most talented VT team. Amazing.**
reestuart • 06/27/24 03:51 PM ET
The 05 Miami game was electric all day, until the kickoff. :(**
NokieHokie • 06/28/24 07:35 AM ET
No doubt about that.**
reestuart • 06/28/24 08:01 AM ET
Good points
AirForceHokie77 • 06/26/24 11:06 AM ET
I wouldn't agree that all things are cyclical. All things change.**
Pride_and_Joy • 06/26/24 02:36 PM ET
Top states have been there for years. My guess is VA's good run was outlier**
marcbvtgm • 06/27/24 04:20 PM ET
Tennessee was a weak HS football state
Pride_and_Joy • 06/27/24 04:36 PM ET
In the context I was speaking on, yes things are cyclical
AirForceHokie77 • 06/26/24 09:57 PM ET
Interesting map, but I'd also like to see it in a per FBS school format.
Hokie622 • 06/26/24 09:00 AM ET
We're doing something wrong in this state.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 09:39 AM ET
One of the bigger issues...
MBHokie90 • 06/26/24 12:14 PM ET
"Not enough funding for education". No, it's about allocating more from
ColoVT82 • 06/26/24 04:52 PM ET
Yep, that's right.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 12:48 PM ET
In Georgia high school football coaches are full time football coaches
sideline guy • 06/26/24 12:08 PM ET
YEP DING DING**
hokiepro • 06/29/24 10:22 AM ET
Should we be looking more at Wyoming and Hawaii?
MVIII • 06/26/24 11:42 AM ET
Of course, and I've researched it thoroughly.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 11:58 AM ET
Virginia is not a progressive forward looking state and
RJHokie • 06/26/24 10:25 AM ET
hmm, not sure...But seems pretty leaned-into sports recently with
VT757to276 • 06/26/24 10:42 AM ET
That’s probably one of the few exceptions you will see.
RJHokie • 06/26/24 11:00 AM ET
I’m amazed Iowa has so many NFL players per capita.
Zanderhokie • 06/25/24 10:49 PM ET
Interesting... what & when was this >4.3 apex? i.e,. how far on the fall?**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:23 PM ET
Back about 10-12 years ago VA had about 20 more total NFL players.
Chris ColemanAdmin • 06/26/24 09:34 AM ET
fair 'enuff.
bourbonstreet • 06/26/24 08:04 PM ET
2: A few schools stockpiling most of the area’s talent.
bourbonstreet • 06/26/24 08:56 PM ET
Thanks........
2hhoop3 • 06/26/24 12:25 PM ET
Interesting map.........
2hhoop3 • 06/25/24 08:42 PM ET
Coach Pry is a much better coach in all aspects than Fu could ever become !**
FLKEYSHOKIE • 06/25/24 05:27 PM ET
I disagree, but I found this hilarious so it's great!**
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 11:00 PM ET
lol false. X&O offense Fu schools most coaches
hokiepro • 06/25/24 10:55 PM ET
The players also like him which is kinda important.**
bburgnative • 06/26/24 07:20 AM ET
Heard a lot of players who said they liked Fu it was his assistants
uber hokie • 06/27/24 06:36 AM ET
Except a head coach isn't that much about xs and os. It's a manager
Twincountyhokie • 06/25/24 11:53 PM ET
...oranges to tangerines as this is O vs. D, right? Though yes... you could
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 11:07 PM ET
I HOPE he’s great…and his D acumen with better run fit DUDES means top
hokiepro • 06/25/24 11:11 PM ET
to have what he 1st year D inherited; and a lack of P.s.u. fit(s)?
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 11:22 PM ET
Really? Better pure O coach than Fu'?**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:26 PM ET
Why do you think Fuente was such a great O coach?
Planner_Hokie • 06/28/24 09:30 PM ET
did not quite say that... just pointing out O vs. D mo' so than measuring.
bourbonstreet • 06/28/24 09:41 PM ET
Maybe not a better "O" coach than Fu, but a much better "overall" coach in
FLKEYSHOKIE • 06/25/24 09:51 PM ET
But you just said "all aspects" above... :)**
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 11:00 PM ET
K. hope so... wish I felt like Eye knew so (already) tho'...**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 10:39 PM ET
If we had landed the VA guys during Fuente's tenure we would have still
Seikoh_04 • 06/25/24 04:42 PM ET
Is it 'down', really? Or, jus' quite a bit harder to manage/handler$?**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:27 PM ET
Virginia hasn’t produced HS QBs at the same level the state did 10-20 years
Hokie1992 • 06/26/24 07:43 AM ET
From what I have gathered, both!
Seikoh_04 • 06/25/24 09:34 PM ET
Bud talked about Fuente on a podcast I just listened to. He said Fuente
Hokie_Forester • 06/25/24 12:11 PM ET
I listened to the same podcast
kpileski • 06/25/24 01:08 PM ET
There was good reason to go the Fu route
Hokie1992 • 06/26/24 07:52 AM ET
I think it would have been a disaster, and I think Bud was great.**
reestuart • 06/25/24 03:49 PM ET
Eye kinda/sorta (sadly) agry-- albeit not for coaching verbing reason(s).**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:28 PM ET
I agree
HokiesACC2004 • 06/25/24 06:58 PM ET
Agreed. I will give Whit credit for not succumbing to what I'm sure was a
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 04:07 PM ET
We would have had the Oregon offense! :)**
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 01:43 PM ET
Bud is right........
2hhoop3 • 06/25/24 12:37 PM ET
^this^ a strategic/Macro thinker on TSL... who, knew?
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:34 PM ET
To your second point, I think it was a coincidence of timing, not any plan.**
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 10:54 PM ET
I think .........
2hhoop3 • 06/25/24 09:51 PM ET
well struck... Eye may borrow that used/new thingy. Va Pop. is up, tho'...**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 10:02 PM ET
Population is up.......
2hhoop3 • 06/25/24 10:14 PM ET
Eye locked your article'lized props in. Sharp1 too.**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 10:08 PM ET
Spoke with a local High School AD a couple of weeks ago about Fuente…
BeachGobbler • 06/25/24 11:29 AM ET
Worst; interview, EVER. I literally walked outside, looked up at the Sky...
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:31 PM ET
Wow. That’s disturbing. How did we ever end up with that guy as head coach?
Zanderhokie • 06/25/24 10:57 PM ET
he and a local H.S. football coach... only 2 that I could not wait to end.
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 11:03 PM ET
Haha I remember you talking about that interview and I was like WTF?!**
NokieHokie • 06/25/24 10:57 PM ET
it was the enemy of Fu'n. Sad.**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 11:10 PM ET
He's one of the hot hires at the time with Tom Herman
HokiesACC2004 • 06/25/24 07:01 PM ET
We hired him because he had an outstanding O-coordinator!
EDGEMAN • 06/25/24 11:30 AM ET
Fu also caught lightning in a bottle with QB Paxton Lynch (1st rounder)
kingofcassell • 06/25/24 11:47 AM ET
...his Lawyer = agen¢y the noun, max'.**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:37 PM ET
I have a different take on Fuente
TekkNerd • 06/25/24 11:01 AM ET
I am still going to give him one point in recruiting the state
VTCALS72 • 06/25/24 04:32 PM ET
Yes, JF highlighted our need to invest money. This was big
HokieAl • 06/25/24 11:11 AM ET
Yes this **
hokiepro • 06/25/24 02:29 PM ET
is Pry recruiting better than Fuente? seems like a wash at this point**
kingofcassell • 06/25/24 10:38 AM ET
No but our player development has improved...
MBHokie90 • 06/26/24 12:17 PM ET
I think next year (2025) should be pretty telling on player development
kingofcassell • 06/26/24 12:50 PM ET
wait'll you see part II.**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:39 PM ET
Recruiting VA
Gman12 • 06/25/24 11:28 AM ET
(possibly) most illuming... in that the Portal is not the Fu'bar Va-hole.**
bourbonstreet • 06/25/24 09:41 PM ET
He is meeting needs better already thru recruiting plus transfers
VictoryTurkey • 06/25/24 10:58 AM ET