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marcbvtgm

Most fans greatly overestimate how much a coach impacts recruiting.

And underestimate how much the logo on the coach's gear impacts recruiting. There are about 10 programs in the top 15 or so almost every year in recruiting - and about another 10 who move in and out of the top 15. And this has changed very little since recruiting records started being published. About the only outlier is Oregon - which came into boatloads of cash along the way. Regardless, HS recruiting used to be the lifeblood of a program, but now it's down the list of priorities for developing and maintaining a program. ** Edited by marcbvtgm at 11/13/2025, 2:39:26 PM
Posted: 11/13/2025 at 02:37 PM ET
(In response to this post by EDGEMAN)

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So, if Franklin is our coach, what is the plan with respect to recruiting?
Coach McGuirk • 11/13/25 11:24 AM ET
Work the portal **
HokiesACC2004 • 11/14/25 01:40 AM ET
"VT is way better because I'm here now" is what he'll say. **
YBYSAIAHokie • 11/13/25 09:42 PM ET
And when recruit says, “you think you’ll be better?”
Hokie1992 • 11/14/25 06:25 AM ET
What current PSU players will follow him?
Hokiepopt • 11/13/25 05:39 PM ET
I’d remember how many players Pry brought from Happy Valley
Hokie1992 • 11/14/25 06:37 AM ET
I doubt that would be allowed in this new age
tallahasseehokie • 11/13/25 09:25 PM ET
Portal immediately and salvage what he can from high schools
TabbHokie • 11/13/25 04:32 PM ET
The plan is $, lots and lots of $
FlintMS • 11/13/25 02:19 PM ET
We’re a program that promotes personal responsibility
Hokiefied • 11/13/25 03:23 PM ET
Yes...thanks to NIL, they can afford their own hookers and booze
FlintMS • 11/13/25 05:41 PM ET
Poor Peter Warwick having to steal his party clothes from Dillards ;-)**
Hokie1992 • 11/14/25 06:41 AM ET
PSU's recruiting won't fall off. VT will get a bit better due to more $$.
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:19 PM ET
Reports are their current class is falling apart
Hokiefied • 11/13/25 03:33 PM ET
Of course the recruiting class in a year where the coach gets fired has
BG Hokie • 11/13/25 04:01 PM ET
He said it won’t fall off. It’s falling off. No caveats were made.
Hokiefied • 11/13/25 04:13 PM ET
I meant "generally" but ok, I'll play. PSU's '26 avg rating is > 2025
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 05:22 PM ET
Yep. Anyone thinking Franklin will automatically start pulling in the...
EDGEMAN • 11/13/25 02:23 PM ET
Of course not but we won't taking Mac or Sun Belt players at the last sec **
HokiesACC2004 • 11/14/25 01:42 AM ET
The bar at VT ≠ PSU. JF only needs recruiting classes in the 20s at best.**
VTizzle • 11/13/25 03:46 PM ET
Very little real delta between the 20s and the 40s (maybe even the 50s).
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 05:29 PM ET
this is so wrong- 2026 15-0**
bigbadbird • 11/13/25 03:29 PM ET
I suspect due to his prior connections in the Mid-Atlantic
HortHokie • 11/13/25 03:16 PM ET
3x the current Nil budget will also help**
vivitron73 • 11/13/25 03:56 PM ET
Most fans greatly overestimate how much a coach impacts recruiting. ◄
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:37 PM ET
Cignetti won immediately with his fully developed players from JMU**
tallahasseehokie • 11/13/25 09:29 PM ET
Can you justify why the logo would influence an athlete other than low IQ?
Hoakie82 • 11/13/25 05:24 PM ET
When I read the "logo" comment I still interpret it as a bit deeper than
BG Hokie • 11/14/25 08:28 AM ET
It's that - and the general cache and history surrounding the program**
marcbvtgm • 11/14/25 03:59 PM ET
Petty to you perhaps, but the logo represents cache and resources.
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 05:35 PM ET
Which is why I am going to be interested to see how long it takes VT to
VTHokie2000 • 11/13/25 10:52 PM ET
That's the elephant in the room people should be focused on, not the coach
marcbvtgm • 11/14/25 04:02 PM ET
You are right that coaching hires are a crap shoot. Something that could
VTHokie2000 • 11/14/25 07:32 PM ET
get the big fast ones **
bigbadbird • 11/13/25 01:56 PM ET
You guys notice the size of Indiana all over the field?**
TboneParkerVT • 11/13/25 09:35 PM ET
"So. That Pry is gone, and I'm here. That was what made PSU better"**
Beerman • 11/13/25 01:20 PM ET
It's no longer recruiting.
MKD • 11/13/25 01:13 PM ET
And if we want to be a big time program, our athletic department needs...
EDGEMAN • 11/13/25 02:25 PM ET
Exactly, you're spot on sir.**
MKD • 11/13/25 04:40 PM ET
It's still recruiting
Beerman • 11/13/25 01:21 PM ET
Even the high school players are free agents.
MKD • 11/13/25 04:43 PM ET
Umm, by and large free agents shop on price. And these guys are free agents**
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:41 PM ET
I think P2 schools will still have success in VA, but we'll see improvement
TekkNerd • 11/13/25 12:30 PM ET
Recruit what!???? Just buy the dang players!!!!!
fordham • 11/13/25 12:23 PM ET
The draw will be the coaching/coaches**
Stork • 11/13/25 12:20 PM ET
The draw isn't the coaches. If it was, the portal wouldn't be so active.**
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 05:37 PM ET
I get the feeling PSU will regret firing Franklin. He just says "follow me"
VTizzle • 11/13/25 12:04 PM ET
They'll regret it because there are no obvious upgrades.
Hokie4Heisman • 11/13/25 03:46 PM ET
This is delusion**
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:42 PM ET
Which part? You might be right about PSU, but he's 110% an elite recruiter.
VTizzle • 11/13/25 03:29 PM ET
I think PSU will be fine with the coaching search. LSU, they are a mess. **
reestuart • 11/13/25 08:57 PM ET
He's not 110% an elite recruiter. He 110% recruited at a school w/ elite $$
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 05:47 PM ET
He recruited top 25 classes to Vanderbilt too...
Hokie4Heisman • 11/13/25 07:41 PM ET
FALSE. Per 247, his classes were 49th, 46th & 26th.
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 08:51 PM ET
26th is pretty damn good for Vanderbilt **
HokiesACC2004 • 11/14/25 01:36 AM ET
Only if you think there's that big of a difference between 26 and upper 40s
marcbvtgm • 11/14/25 04:25 PM ET
VT was very effective at providing its own negative PR without his help
Hokiefied • 11/13/25 12:40 PM ET
I'm hearing Daboll to Penn State**
Happy Dog • 11/13/25 12:23 PM ET
I can see it because he's no NFL head coach. Great NFL OC though.
VTizzle • 11/13/25 03:24 PM ET
It’s part of the ongoing hold up, so we’ll see who he brings
VaPoly07 • 11/13/25 12:09 PM ET
He ain’t going to Arkansas**
BROman Hokie • 11/13/25 12:30 PM ET
any coach who volunatrily goes to Arkansas has a career deathwish
VPI_1998 • 11/13/25 02:10 PM ET
One could say the same about VT...**
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:43 PM ET
Really
RRHOKIE • 11/13/25 07:02 PM ET
VT has basically run 3 coaches out in the last 10 years including a HoF'er**
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 08:55 PM ET
They’re similar, but we’re in JF’s recruiting region…
BROman Hokie • 11/13/25 03:15 PM ET
He won't have PSU $$ behind him. And PSU mostly had a schedule of patsies
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 09:12 PM ET
We haven't exactly been beating lousy teams lately **
HokiesACC2004 • 11/14/25 02:15 AM ET
Good relationships with current kids could help but, honestly, I wouldn't
BG Hokie • 11/13/25 11:55 AM ET
Best NIL will get them 9 times out of 10 in the new era.
LonghornHokie • 11/13/25 10:02 PM ET
This is the diffeences in vt fan base
1947Sunbowl • 11/13/25 01:02 PM ET
"Do they have big talons?"...**
Culpeper Hokie • 11/13/25 03:36 PM ET
Did you type this with a potato? I have no idea what you're trying to say
BG Hokie • 11/13/25 01:05 PM ET
I’m sorry but this response made me LOL **
hokie hustler • 11/13/25 01:14 PM ET
Me Too**
HokieHi • 11/13/25 01:49 PM ET
His recruits will follow him, players love him**
VaPoly07 • 11/13/25 12:10 PM ET
I would be disappointed if he didn't get a few recruits to follow him but
BG Hokie • 11/13/25 12:22 PM ET
Didn't his players quit on him this season?**
EDGEMAN • 11/13/25 12:15 PM ET
Not sure, I wasn’t in the locker room**
VaPoly07 • 11/13/25 01:33 PM ET
Yes, his last coaching effort resulted in him losing the team. **
BG Hokie • 11/13/25 12:26 PM ET
Pennsylvania weather is terrible.
likehokies • 11/13/25 11:47 AM ET
Portal. portal, portal, and then the portal. Anything else is a failure.
Hokiefied • 11/13/25 11:47 AM ET
This talks about some PSU top recruits looking elsewhere, VT not mentioned**
RhinoVT • 11/13/25 11:31 AM ET
Why should they mentioned VT ?
RiverVT • 11/13/25 11:44 AM ET
Well, only 1 of 3 even mentions seeing where Franklin AND the assts end up.
marcbvtgm • 11/13/25 02:27 PM ET