on a sports message board? After all, passion and hyperbole have been a part of sporting debates since at least the ancient Greeks. Also, is it realistic to believe that this poster ".....can only express (his) opinion with hyperbole". Maybe it was just this one opinion, or half his opinions, who knows? My point, most get Toledo's take and that is, given past performance with a Pry coached team, it will probably be a beat down. Has Pry ever beaten a favored team as a HC? We all hope he finally does, including Toledo. As you point out, it does happen (somewhere I have a table that shows % chance of beating every spread at the P4 level). But most don't believe Pry can do it, and that's a reasonable opinion based on the last three years.