May not be saying this exactly right but this group folds and looks to ‘know’ they are going to lose. That to me is what a losing culture is - I do not see an expectation to win coming from the program. That’s just an opinion and intangible mostly so I could be wrong, I’m not there day to day, but they just don’t exude a winning aura to me. And that’s not to say they don’t play hard - I think they do - they are trying - but consistent collapses by the entire program staff and players is more than just stats and data - there’s an atmosphere involved in winning, in finishing. And they don’t have it yet.