Could you clarify which part of my position on scanning data you find
dubious...because I think we're both essentially saying the same thing (that VT has not chosen to use scanning data to its fullest effect and that there are constructive ways to use it that seem to have not been explored). So I'm confused...perhaps I wasn't clear...happy to try again.
Re: cultivation, I would bet we actually share some similar views on that...but my point here is more of a practical one. If cultivation is not a strength, employing a solution that requires it to be doesn't make sense. In an ideal world, the cultivation scenario would be fixed for a variety of reasons far beyond this basketball ticketing process... but even if we hired the most sought after and talented athletic fundraiser in America tomorrow and doubled the size of the Hokie Club staff under his/her direction, that cultivation issue isn't going to be fixed in time to have those direct conversations effectively in advance of basketball re-seating and the implementation of new policies and procedures. And it IS sticky territory when it comes to telling people what they "can" or "can't" do with tickets they've purchased...I mean, technically, a Duke fan is more than welcome to donate to the HSF, buy season basketball tickets, select center court seats, and use them - fully decked out in Duke garb - for just one game a year. (You'll recall our football fans know a thing or two about doing this at UVA).
I also, respectfully, submit (and I do clearly recall your past screeds on the topic) that the corporate donors/contractual obligations you continue to find objectionable are really just part of the cost of doing business in college athletics today. Nike has good seats at JPJ and the Smith Center too. And everywhere else we play. A huge segment of lower level seats and suite space....for yeeeeeeaaarrrrrrsss....at the ACC Tournament are corporate/contractual. It's a very common practice and part of the fabric of the whole situation. Learfield is the manager of the vast majority of those relationships and while I don't know how effective they are or are not at ticket management, the existence of those tickets is just the facts of life. And just being honest, other than the fact you don't like their existence, I'm not sure why reaching out to the contractual/corporate group ahead of donors makes a lot of sense. Contractual is...contractual. And there can be a lot of balls in the air there on the corporate side...for example, say we rattle off a great record and end up with a game featured by College GameDay in January. Learfield can't say "sorry, Delta Dental, you've provided xx,0000 of advertising all season and your commercial will run this weekend during the game as well but we declined your seats in November before we knew the record and the media obligations for this game" more easily than the athletic department can say "Joe, you've given us $350,000 and have season tickets which, by the way, we are immensely grateful for... but we wanted you to know that we do have additional options available to purchase season tickets this year where you can either continue to buy the full schedule of games as you have done in the past or just buy ACC tickets in case those are the only games you think you'll be able to make it here from Richmond for". There's a bunch of people on the donor side that can look at their calendars right now and say whether they're going to be on a cruise in December for two weeks or missing the ACC/Big 10 Challenge because it's their kids birthday party or tied up multiple weekends with youth sports...but much harder, IMO, for the people that cultivate the corporate side to predict the future.
At any rate, let me know where I lost you on the scanning data part because I'd like to figure out where we are missing each other there.
Thread Replies (75)
Reading my Investment Guide...they are removing non-conference
-- hoosnowahokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 09:09 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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10/02/23 09:09 PM ET
Sounds like a very good way of getting more sold seats actually filled.
-- Femoyer Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:42 AM ET
Femoyer Hokie
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10/03/23 11:42 AM ET
This. I'm hopeful this will actually present an option to people that
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:30 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 12:30 PM ET
There already is this option. ACC-only games have been a package for
-- hoosnowahokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 02:35 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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10/03/23 02:35 PM ET
FWIW, the Christmas game I referenced in my post above was
-- I love VT!
Oct 04, 2023 at 12:07 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/04/23 12:07 AM ET
I've come to realize that there are people out there who...
-- vthokieq
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:43 PM ET
vthokieq
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10/03/23 12:43 PM ET
In this case the Investment Guide didn’t fully explain the process.
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:38 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 01:38 PM ET
This is what it is about.**
-- Nelsonia Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:44 AM ET
Nelsonia Hokie
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10/03/23 11:44 AM ET
"Investment Guide" is a crafty euphemism for "this is how you must spend!"**
-- UpperQuad
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:46 PM ET
UpperQuad
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10/02/23 10:46 PM ET
So we have 6 tickets and there are people in our seats every game. If they
-- UTPr0sim
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:22 PM ET
UTPr0sim
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10/02/23 10:22 PM ET
Another alternative, Nice post. See my response to @I love VT! , infra.**
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:20 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:20 AM ET
It sounds like you are reading that right. I didn't realize that.
-- nvpbrown
Oct 02, 2023 at 09:53 PM ET
nvpbrown
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10/02/23 09:53 PM ET
Interesting thing is, they make double off the non conference tickets.
-- 134562Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 08:47 AM ET
134562Hokie
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10/03/23 08:47 AM ET
Good info. This explains what they propose to do.
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:47 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 12:47 PM ET
There's that proverbial AthDept lack of transparency.**
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:22 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:22 AM ET
Transparency is over-rated**
-- HokiePATT
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:26 PM ET
HokiePATT
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10/03/23 04:26 PM ET
Clearly you have never run a business/organization…**
-- Brewing_Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 06:07 PM ET
Brewing_Hokie
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10/03/23 06:07 PM ET
Clearly you would be wrong.
-- HokiePATT
Oct 07, 2023 at 09:11 PM ET
HokiePATT
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10/07/23 09:11 PM ET
Truth……it shows a lot of the details still aren’t finalized
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:49 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 12:49 PM ET
The first page made it seem that way
-- hoosnowahokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 11:05 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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10/02/23 11:05 PM ET
Pls let us know what you find out.**
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:22 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:22 AM ET
Maybe not this cycle, bur probably next cycle.**
-- Atlee Hokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:14 PM ET
Atlee Hokie
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10/02/23 10:14 PM ET
It’s the 24-25 season, so we get to ***** and moan about it
-- RJHokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:17 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/02/23 10:17 PM ET
Need to complain to the VTTO chief Oh, that's right, ........**
-- Atlee Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:08 AM ET
Atlee Hokie
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10/03/23 12:08 AM ET
Ah. The next general reseating.
-- Atlee Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:05 AM ET
Atlee Hokie
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10/03/23 12:05 AM ET
See my post below for a different local perspective, Atlee.
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:59 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 04:59 AM ET
It will make them more expensive, and that is the purpose. However,
-- saret
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:08 PM ET
saret
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10/02/23 10:08 PM ET
Saret, I am also local & use all my tickets...but...
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:53 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 04:53 AM ET
Here's the thing: If you have all the data about people who aren't getting
-- hoosnowahokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:20 AM ET
hoosnowahokie
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10/03/23 09:20 AM ET
FWIW, that's exactly what happened when I renewed for this year...
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:58 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 11:58 AM ET
Right, I'm more concerned if they are going to start charging me more money
-- hoosnowahokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:34 PM ET
hoosnowahokie
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10/03/23 12:34 PM ET
Again, a good post. Your opening line is an experience I have not
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 12:21 PM ET
saret
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10/03/23 12:21 PM ET
Could you clarify which part of my position on scanning data you find
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-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:16 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 01:16 PM ET
Again, a good post. I'll try to be clearer. As I said, using scanning
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:00 PM ET
saret
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10/03/23 04:00 PM ET
Basically we both agree with your statement...
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:43 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 11:43 PM ET
Nice post, but I think you and I are just going to disagree.
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:18 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:18 AM ET
Ain’t gonna be cheaper for sure.
-- RJHokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:06 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/02/23 10:06 PM ET
I hear you...but...were any of us operating under the assumption that
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 05:05 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 05:05 AM ET
Price increases are expected since it's well known that the costs
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:27 AM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 11:27 AM ET
Agree with that. But they appear to be doing it selectively, to the usual
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:27 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:27 AM ET
Yeah, the AthDept could screw up a wet dream.
-- saret
Oct 02, 2023 at 09:52 PM ET
saret
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10/02/23 09:52 PM ET
Whit is a grifter and money grubber. Grifting on MBB, but not charging
-- saret
Oct 02, 2023 at 10:11 PM ET
saret
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10/02/23 10:11 PM ET
Obviously, Whit and I don't talk much. Of course, Whit doesn't
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 09:28 AM ET
saret
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10/03/23 09:28 AM ET
You guys plan to call him a money grubbing hypocrite turd brain grifter ...
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 05:22 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 05:22 AM ET
From my experience best to just not engage
-- hokiesteve01
Oct 03, 2023 at 06:03 PM ET
hokiesteve01
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10/03/23 06:03 PM ET
Freaking unhinged
-- WestEndHokie39
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:50 AM ET
WestEndHokie39
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10/03/23 11:50 AM ET
There are a lot of "hidden charges" in the new prices.
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:20 AM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 11:20 AM ET
Speaking of transparency...care to answer my question? **
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:40 AM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 11:40 AM ET
Whether you plan to call him a money grubbing hypocrite turd brain grifter
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:18 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 01:18 PM ET
I would have no problem saying it to him. I spent 28-years being
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:06 PM ET
saret
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10/03/23 04:06 PM ET
I don't think anyone doubts your ability to be confrontational, Saret.
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 04:50 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 04:50 PM ET
Anybody in the AD that doesn’t know who RJ or Saret is, is an idiot…
-- Brewing_Hokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 06:14 PM ET
Brewing_Hokie
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10/03/23 06:14 PM ET
I didn't suggest people weren't aware of who they are...
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:36 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 11:36 PM ET
Would you confront saret and RJ to their faces, they way you have here?**
-- NokieHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 05:09 PM ET
NokieHokie
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10/03/23 05:09 PM ET
Indeed. Directly and absent name-calling or snark.
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 11:38 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 11:38 PM ET
Actually, @RJHokie isa great guy, and I try to emulate him.**
-- saret
Oct 03, 2023 at 05:16 PM ET
saret
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10/03/23 05:16 PM ET
@saret used the grifter term and he definitely would tell him that
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:24 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 01:24 PM ET
So you'll just go with "turd brain" then?
-- I love VT!
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:34 PM ET
I love VT!
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10/03/23 01:34 PM ET
Yeah, I probably would in some cases, as would a fair number
-- RJHokie
Oct 03, 2023 at 01:48 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/03/23 01:48 PM ET
Yeah, another stupid move by the AD turd brains.
-- RJHokie
Oct 02, 2023 at 09:40 PM ET
RJHokie
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10/02/23 09:40 PM ET