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I don't think there is any use in evaluating the NET until the end...

...of the season. I also think that a team's NET ranking - as has always been the case with the selection committee isn't prioritized above other advanced metrics - where NET has the biggest impact is that it is now used in place of RPI to evaluate your opponents and that is where it is a huge improvement from the past. Like Iowa State's tournament seeding right now will be based on their performance relative to their opponent's NET rating way more than the fact that they are 10th in the NET. Often one of the biggest arguments about the tourney is that metrics for a specific team (including NET) are too disregarded in favor of their blind resume to be evaluated by people. I see both sides of that argument and see the positive and negative in both - if you prioritized team analytic rating you may completely eliminate the possibility of a team with a poorer seed being favored over their opponent which still happens regularly in the current format. RPI is simply a flawed metric - beyond the fact that you can game it quite easily for your own rating it weights your opponent strength of schedule FAR FAR FAR too much, and determines it in an overly simplistic way, and so to make that the way you look at blind resumes led to some terrible results. Conferences could absolutely provide advice on OOC scheduling that boosted their league in the selection process far above their actual ability to perform. The biggest issue with RPI is how highly it can rate teams with a bad record but who play very difficult schedules. So the bottom teams in P5 leagues often have huge discrepancies in their RPI vs predictive metrics.
Posted: 02/01/2024 at 02:21 PM ET
(In response to this post by hokiepro)

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NET nonsense: Today’s edition: Clemson wins but not by enough
hokiepro 01/31/24 09:33 AM ET
Maybe it should be the most wins at the least number of points
VTCALS72 02/03/24 10:10 AM ET
How else do you want to judge?
HokiesACC2004 01/31/24 06:33 PM ET
I think honestly they should average the RPI & NET;
hokiepro 01/31/24 06:36 PM ET
I don't think there is any case to use RPI...
Cvillehoops13 02/01/24 11:11 AM ET
Do you think they realized the big discrepancy some would see
hokiepro 02/01/24 11:53 AM ET
I don't think there is any use in evaluating the NET until the end...
Cvillehoops13 02/01/24 02:21 PM ET
Makes sense; seems NET can be “gamed” as a conference too
hokiepro 02/01/24 03:43 PM ET
If the goal is to evaluate teams in the most accurate way possible...
Cvillehoops13 01/31/24 03:18 PM ET
But wouldn't that just make teams go for blowouts?
VTCALS72 02/03/24 10:04 AM ET
I agree that NET is an improvement over RPI. However, the Quad system needs
HokieEngineer 01/31/24 06:20 PM ET
Yes, treating it as a continuous variable is better
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 06:30 PM ET
A question.....
2hhoop3 01/31/24 04:29 PM ET
Both, but meant just as much as…
Cvillehoops13 02/01/24 07:58 AM ET
Thanks for the reply......
2hhoop3 02/01/24 11:30 AM ET
I don't know the NET formulae very well but I too don't understand
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 03:52 PM ET
It’s about how OOC resumes are viewed
hokiepro 01/31/24 04:03 PM ET
The committee does what it wants.**
VTCALS72 02/03/24 10:06 AM ET
SOS is part of NET so isn't that already factored into the ranking?
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 04:13 PM ET
Obviously it’s not factored in as heavily as efficiency in OOC
hokiepro 01/31/24 04:28 PM ET
And why should SOS be weighted more than efficiency? **
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 04:34 PM ET
More than anything it’s an opinion BUT
hokiepro 01/31/24 05:16 PM ET
They have. In a positive direction, IMO **
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 06:27 PM ET
Wow, when did we lose 2 more games??**
hokiepro 01/31/24 03:22 PM ET
Corrected, sorry was doing some hypotheticals and of course didn't reset...
Cvillehoops13 01/31/24 03:27 PM ET
We’re 4-8 in Q1+Q2
hokiepro 01/31/24 03:24 PM ET
Efficiency is essentially adjusted for quality of opponent and location
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 04:40 PM ET
The problem is that because the NET is used to just be based on this year..
Cvillehoops13 01/31/24 03:34 PM ET
If we woulda beaten the cocks and FSU we ain’t worrying bout no NET
HokieHoopzThe2nd 01/31/24 02:31 PM ET
I wish the tournament would just go to 128 teams
OrlandoHokie 01/31/24 12:01 PM ET
The regular season is already meaningless
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 12:52 PM ET
The regular season obviously isn’t “meaningless” when relatively recent
hokiepro 01/31/24 03:54 PM ET
"Meaningless" is a strong term. "Not compelling might be a better phrase.
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 04:04 PM ET
Hang on one second...
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 03:58 PM ET
Isn't the NCAA tournament more about gambling now? Too big to fail.**
WildTurkE 01/31/24 12:04 PM ET
I think 96 makes sense.
hokiepro 01/31/24 12:03 PM ET
Actually for keeping interest in VTMBB 68 is ideal
Vippie1 01/31/24 01:18 PM ET
1000% agree
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 01:50 PM ET
The one that really pisses me off is Nova
ReasFordHoo 01/31/24 10:49 AM ET
Every year there is a team with a resume that makes it VERY difficult...
Cvillehoops13 01/31/24 03:23 PM ET
Yup,Nova sucks.Both VT and UVA would beat Nova right now,this is not Jay
HokieBrazil 01/31/24 02:35 PM ET
In the NET system, does a 10 point win
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 10:16 AM ET
Well, efficiency ratings are built in...
Chris ColemanAdmin 01/31/24 10:37 AM ET
Thanks Chris. That's helpful.
Pride_and_Joy 01/31/24 10:49 AM ET
If only they would have beat Duke (:
MVIII 01/31/24 09:47 AM ET