A great example is FAU
But they also have the beaches of Boca Raton to keep talent around
And yes...retention is key in the system I outlined. But still very difficult. And as a coach you walk the line of being honest fully with your players (like telling Bamisile he wouldn't be looking at immediate playing time) or trying to tell them what they want to hear or to be patient in order to keep them around. It takes a special kind of player to develop in one place when you aren't seeing the immediate returns.
The focus should always be identifying players in HS (or with 3+ yrs of eligibility) who have a high ceiling and high IQ to keep their floor higher than rock bottom. Then you should fill the rest of your roster fixing holes with transfers. But the transfers should never be the focal point of the program. They're always going to be behind. Always. Aluma and Murphy were obvious exceptions because they already knew the system. But Mutts is the closest to being ready from the jump. All the others needed a bunch of time.
How do you retain players? You have to be honest with them. Have to. But like I said above sometimes that comes with them making their own choices they deem best for them given the honest information you provide to them.
From all accounts I haven't seen a single instance where Mike Young hasn't been honest with each of his players. Even if that meant losing them (like Isiah Wilkins, Jalen Cone and Joe Bamisile).
So what's the fix? I don't really know. Build positive relationships and identify the right type of people who want to stick around for those relationships and not the people who need the frills. Just keep in mind those players aren't usually highly ranked, nor do they have the highest ceilings.
Thread Replies (45)
What are we not giving Young that he needs to win?**
-- legalaire
Feb 05, 2024 at 01:43 PM ET
legalaire
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02/05/24 01:43 PM ET
We are winning but if the question is what does this team need to
-- VTCALS72
Feb 05, 2024 at 08:16 PM ET
VTCALS72
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02/05/24 08:16 PM ET
He is winning. But to win more, he really just needs more time
-- HokieAl
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:01 PM ET
HokieAl
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02/05/24 06:01 PM ET
VT is a program that should be right around the bubble every year...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 10:46 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 10:46 PM ET
Oh God, not the "Covid" excuse. Our own guru says our program is "mediocre"
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:11 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 06:11 PM ET
Huh? Where did you read any excuse? All I mentioned was facts
-- HokieAl
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:39 PM ET
HokieAl
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02/05/24 06:39 PM ET
MY has to learn how to win and finish close games. We lose more than we win**
-- BAMAHOKIE
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:08 PM ET
BAMAHOKIE
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02/05/24 06:08 PM ET
That’s an obvious statement, so how would you propose he learns win close
-- uber hokie
Feb 05, 2024 at 09:12 PM ET
uber hokie
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02/05/24 09:12 PM ET
Varies with every game and team we are playing**
-- BAMAHOKIE
Feb 06, 2024 at 12:17 AM ET
BAMAHOKIE
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02/06/24 12:17 AM ET
How are we defining "winning"?**
-- 6thStreetHokie
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:08 PM ET
6thStreetHokie
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02/05/24 05:08 PM ET
$250,000 per player for at least 3-4 players, then at least $75,000-150,000
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:50 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:50 PM ET
Not there , not close, but it's doable with the right person/organization
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:57 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:57 PM ET
The rev sports are such garbage now
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:20 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 03:20 PM ET
Thank goodness for the MUTE option!!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:58 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:58 PM ET
Psst. You aren't doing it right if you can still see/respond to posts**
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:45 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 05:45 PM ET
Psst, I still occasionally check muted posts to see what daily drivel
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 08, 2024 at 01:18 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/08/24 01:18 AM ET
Lol. It’s like he unmuted to let me know I’ve been muted. 😂 **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:28 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 06:28 PM ET
This could be a dissertation...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:33 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 02:33 PM ET
So you are saying there aren't many 4-5* hunter/fishermen
-- 1980VT
Feb 05, 2024 at 07:43 PM ET
1980VT
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02/05/24 07:43 PM ET
What do you have to say about experience and maturity (part of retention)
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:15 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 03:15 PM ET
Don't recruit players who jump from one school to another in high school
-- 1980VT
Feb 05, 2024 at 07:47 PM ET
1980VT
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02/05/24 07:47 PM ET
Maybe we just need to find them girlfriends...Lookin' at you Hunter Cattoor**
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:32 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 04:32 PM ET
I like your thinking, but that sounds a lot more expensive! haha**
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:46 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 05:46 PM ET
NIL for basketball just makese more sense bang-for-buck
-- Bmackattack
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:12 PM ET
Bmackattack
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02/05/24 03:12 PM ET
I'd actually bump your 11 for football up to 22+. Even stronger argument.**
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:16 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 03:16 PM ET
I mean...I very much agree
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:16 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:16 PM ET
Not only the most popular, but generating the most money. When next round
-- icelus
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:19 PM ET
icelus
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02/05/24 06:19 PM ET
If the goal is to possibly get into a better football conference...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 10:40 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 10:40 PM ET
Great way to end up in the American Athletic Conference. lol.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:33 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 04:33 PM ET
imo, Whit/VT have to stand on the nil gas for wbb...
-- VT757to276
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:34 PM ET
VT757to276
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02/05/24 03:34 PM ET
Anything MY might do different to
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:11 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 03:11 PM ET
Important to note as a follow-up...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:06 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:06 PM ET
I like how you connect VT's geography with how they have to approach sports
-- hokienole
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:14 PM ET
hokienole
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02/05/24 06:14 PM ET
Atmosphere is wonderful...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:49 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 02:49 PM ET
I also wondered the same thing...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:09 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:09 PM ET
This is a great summary, when Mike Young was hired the convo...
-- Cvillehoops13
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:46 PM ET
Cvillehoops13
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02/05/24 02:46 PM ET
!00% spot on!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:52 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:52 PM ET
I agree if what I think you are saying is what you are saying...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:12 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:12 PM ET
I want to thank you for your thoughtful responses and thorough responses to
-- legalaire
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:50 PM ET
legalaire
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02/05/24 04:50 PM ET
No problem! It's a good question **
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:04 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 05:04 PM ET