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I'm currently reading "The Price" by Armen Keteyian

The Price: What It Takes to Win in College Football's Era of Chaos, by Armen Keteyian, published in 2024. I'm three chapters in. The first few chapters cover the reaction of Nick Saban and Jim Harbaugh -- the coaches in the 2023 season CFP championship game -- to the advent of NIL, which was legalized in July 2021. Their reactions were not positive. 😁 Saban hated the lack of control he had over the development of his players and his team (comparing it to the NFL, where he had no control and no ability to motivate his players), and Harbaugh bemoaned the loss of developing boys into young men and the loss of the challenge of building a team over years. As a result, both Alabama and Michigan had poor NIL operations from the start. Bama basically didn't have one, while Michigan had six NIL collectives that were all over the place. Of course, both recovered and built strong NIL operations. Saban and Harbaugh hated the changes so much that Saban retired and Harbaugh returned to the NFL (though to be fair, Harbaugh was embroiled in scandal that was driving him out of the college game anyway). It gets back to what Kelly Woolwine said on that podcast we did a week ago .... everyone hates this system. Everyone. Hang in there, Hokie fans. I think, in the next five years, some structure will be brought to the system, with collective bargaining, contracts, transfer guardrails, etc. Everyone is crying for it. (Everyone except ESPN.) The P2 schools are currently using the system to crush the non-P2 schools and take all of their players, but even the P2 schools eventually want structure ... just give them a little time first, to choke the life out of the other 100 FBS teams. ** Edited by Will Stewart at 12/23/2024, 12:15:33 PM
Posted: 12/23/2024 at 11:41 AM ET
(In response to this post by GBOHokie)

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I can’t get interested in MBB anymore
Hsthokie 12/22/24 09:34 AM ET
What is this "young talent" you speak of?
King of Hokies 12/24/24 10:10 AM ET
I started losing it with the one and dones.
delmarva hokie 12/23/24 02:17 PM ET
I don’t recall the coach. But it was football. But applies here
GBOHokie 12/22/24 02:49 PM ET
Tim Beck, Coastal Carolina football coach
DJ Golf 12/23/24 11:57 AM ET
I'm currently reading "The Price" by Armen Keteyian
Will StewartAdmin 12/23/24 11:41 AM ET
Is book worth an overall read?**
atlhokie1 12/27/24 11:45 AM ET
...everyone hates this system...except the players!**
MDHokie79 12/23/24 12:07 PM ET
Nope, Kelly said they don't like it either.**
Will StewartAdmin 12/23/24 12:17 PM ET
They should get paid but to move around is not easy
VermontDDS 12/23/24 12:40 PM ET
Hmmm...overall their actions say otherwise it seems**
MDHokie79 12/23/24 12:21 PM ET
Do you like paying taxes?
GCHokie34 12/24/24 02:39 PM ET
Apples and Oranges**
Midwestguy 12/25/24 11:47 AM ET
No...it pretty directly illustrates the point**
GCHokie34 12/25/24 03:56 PM ET
Keep the Faith
Midwestguy 12/25/24 05:48 PM ET
Think it depends on which players you ask.
NC Hoke 12/23/24 06:08 PM ET
While not a reason for me to give up watching this team, it does take much
NC Hoke 12/22/24 04:55 PM ET
I stopped enjoying Duke basketball when K went one and done
WildTurkE 12/23/24 11:17 AM ET
I thought it was probably that way for Blueblood fans when they went one
NC Hoke 12/23/24 04:51 PM ET
Yep, Most fans are only winner fans. Lots of fair weather fans. I'm going
UTPr0sim 12/22/24 10:19 AM ET
His post clearly said he has historically watched even when the team is bad
MP4VT2004 12/24/24 02:45 AM ET
Many ok w/ overmatched but competent but not overmatched AND incompetent.**
marcbvtgm 12/23/24 05:51 PM ET
I just dont care about basketball, but I will watch if they are good.
BioVTjunkie 12/23/24 12:13 PM ET
“I’m in favor of progress; it’s change I don’t like.” Mark Twain**
JackDSML 12/23/24 09:22 AM ET
VT is fielding one of the worst D1 MBB teams in the country, no one...
GoldCoast 12/23/24 08:19 AM ET
Sadly VT hoops fans have a long history of being bandwagon
Vippie1 12/23/24 07:32 AM ET
You can't compare Looserville or Syracuse basketball to Hokie basketball.
Atlee Hokie 12/23/24 12:22 PM ET
This is how it works at football schools. I'm glad people even care if we
BioVTjunkie 12/23/24 12:17 PM ET
Hard honest truth. I’ve been a fan since Dale Solomon days
hokiepro 12/23/24 08:05 AM ET
Do you think Coach Young will be at VT for at least the next 3 years?**
MKD 12/23/24 10:40 AM ET
nope. I think he may leave after this season. He and his wife don't
ancient alien 2018 12/28/24 12:37 AM ET
No**
GCHokie34 12/23/24 10:47 AM ET
I'm 51% he resigns at the end of this season and hits the beach **
Vippie1 12/23/24 05:58 PM ET
This.
NC Hoke 12/23/24 05:06 PM ET
I agree
Midwestguy 12/23/24 12:12 PM ET
They could go 0-30 and I would still watch
HokiesACC2004 12/23/24 05:27 AM ET
Its not just the fact that they are losing its just with TP & NIL i just
uber hokie 12/22/24 10:09 PM ET
My fan history is like yours ...but even I have to admit they are making it
I love VT! 12/22/24 05:30 PM ET
Until we have a cap on NIL, this will trend in the wrong way for VT
949hokie 12/22/24 05:23 PM ET
+999**
HokieDuck76 12/22/24 11:25 PM ET
Not really it's hard to get excited with the style we are playing
RiverVT 12/22/24 12:25 PM ET
“Style of play” looks better when shots are made **
hokiepro 12/22/24 02:19 PM ET
Apparently our shots don't fall very often.**
Atlee Hokie 12/23/24 12:26 PM ET
Me either
FloydsBarberShop 12/22/24 10:12 AM ET
This year’s team isn’t poorly coached
hokiepro 12/22/24 02:22 PM ET
Agree. In the St Joe’s game we had multiple guys showing they could drive
Femoyer Hokie 12/22/24 05:26 PM ET
Yea, Cattoor had us spoiled for 4 years and his replacement isn't there yet**
ancient alien 2018 12/22/24 05:15 PM ET
Disagree. This year is demonstrating MY's coaching inflexibility.
Gobbler Guru 12/22/24 05:10 PM ET
it really comes down to PG.. with Miller this team is much more competitive
ShockWaveVT 12/23/24 11:11 AM ET
Disagree
Gman12 12/23/24 10:00 AM ET
-11**
ancient alien 2018 12/28/24 12:39 AM ET
What system would run with what he has?**
HokiesACC2004 12/23/24 05:26 AM ET
In order to run a system with transfers
delmarva hokie 12/23/24 02:22 PM ET
Sad but so true**
WOJO 12/22/24 05:13 PM ET
Ben Burnham’s PER coming to VT doesn’t suggest that,
NC Hoke 12/22/24 04:43 PM ET
It might suggest he is playing a higher level opposition as well. I think
uber hokie 12/22/24 10:00 PM ET
It could suggest that.
NC Hoke 12/22/24 11:06 PM ET
poorly constructed by the coach and or coaching staff?**
AnotherTechW 12/22/24 04:31 PM ET