This could be a dissertation...
But it boils down to better basketball players...just like anywhere else.
So how do you do that at Virginia Tech? Well it isnt likely that top athletes will consistently fall in love with Blacksburg, VA as a location. So there needs to be factors that can override the location.
Facilities?
Hahn-Hurst is a wonderful facility, a great selling point and a good start. Cassell itself is a C to C- in terms of what VT is competing with to land those recruits.
Access to and from Blacksburg?
Closest airport is Roanoke that has daily commercial flights to DC, Atlanta and Charlotte which are three key areas for being consistently in front for top level talent. That's a haul.
Life outside of basketball?
There's basically one street of bars, no clubs, and mostly house parties dotting campus and the surrounding area. Fishing and hiking are a premium, but thats not typically what top level athletes from the above areas are interested in. Blacksburg is a town of 44,949. The closest area larger than 150,000 residents is Charlotte 2.5 hours away, Richmond 3 hours away or Knoxville 4 hours away.
By the start of the 2024-25 football season, the ACC plans to have schools in the following population centers:
San Francisco/Berkey/San Jose, CA (Cal, Stanford)
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX (Southern Methodist)
Miami, FL (U of Miami)
Atlanta, GA (Georgia Tech)
Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, NC (NC State, Duke, UNC)
Winston-Salem/Greensboro/High Point, NC (Wake Forest)
Louisville, KY (U of Louisville)
Pittsburgh, PA (U of Pittsburgh)
Syracuse/Rochester, NY (Syracuse U)
Boston, MA (Boston College)
South Bend, IN is larger than Roanoke and within 1.5 hours of Chicago and 2.5 hours of Indianapolis
Really, the only members which are not located in high-population counties are:
Florida State (Tallahassee, FL) **197,102**
Clemson (Clemson, SC) **17,986**
Virginia Tech (Blacksburg, VA) **44,949**
U of Virginia (Charlottesville, VA) **45,672**
Clemson, smaller than Blacksburg, has an advantage in being 2 hrs from both Charlotte and Atlanta. It should also be noted that VT consistently out-recruits Clemson in basketball....for a reason.
With populated areas comes an ability to recruit easier from those areas because it can be a short trip home when necessary. And for a school that doesn't have an easily accessible airport, no night life to speak of and increasingly older facilities the offseason can be an absolute slog in trying to retain athletes even if you can convince them to turn down those metropolitan areas in order to come to Blacksburg.
So...how about cheating?
Sure, that may work, but unless the HC is independently wealthy, VT boosters haven't shown an overwhelming propensity to throw money at basketball under the table. This means that cheating can only go so far. You'll be left with top-heavy rosters, no depth and a rebuild every 2 or 3 years once that talent moves on. *ahem* Buzz Williams...
So...how about NIL deals?
Same as above really. Most of the NIL deals are going to football. It's a football-centric town/alumni. Likely always will be. And some people will probably even pop in this thread to respond that NIL **should** all be funneled to football...which precisely illustrates the point.
VT would have to put together NIL deals that are not only comparative to what they're seeing at other schools in more populous areas, but ALSO have to beat those deals by a comfortable margin in order to make up for the inadequacies above.
Thread Replies (45)
What are we not giving Young that he needs to win?**
-- legalaire
Feb 05, 2024 at 01:43 PM ET
legalaire
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02/05/24 01:43 PM ET
We are winning but if the question is what does this team need to
-- VTCALS72
Feb 05, 2024 at 08:16 PM ET
VTCALS72
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02/05/24 08:16 PM ET
He is winning. But to win more, he really just needs more time
-- HokieAl
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:01 PM ET
HokieAl
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02/05/24 06:01 PM ET
VT is a program that should be right around the bubble every year...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 10:46 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 10:46 PM ET
Oh God, not the "Covid" excuse. Our own guru says our program is "mediocre"
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:11 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 06:11 PM ET
Huh? Where did you read any excuse? All I mentioned was facts
-- HokieAl
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:39 PM ET
HokieAl
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02/05/24 06:39 PM ET
MY has to learn how to win and finish close games. We lose more than we win**
-- BAMAHOKIE
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:08 PM ET
BAMAHOKIE
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02/05/24 06:08 PM ET
That’s an obvious statement, so how would you propose he learns win close
-- uber hokie
Feb 05, 2024 at 09:12 PM ET
uber hokie
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02/05/24 09:12 PM ET
Varies with every game and team we are playing**
-- BAMAHOKIE
Feb 06, 2024 at 12:17 AM ET
BAMAHOKIE
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02/06/24 12:17 AM ET
How are we defining "winning"?**
-- 6thStreetHokie
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:08 PM ET
6thStreetHokie
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02/05/24 05:08 PM ET
$250,000 per player for at least 3-4 players, then at least $75,000-150,000
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:50 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:50 PM ET
Not there , not close, but it's doable with the right person/organization
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:57 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:57 PM ET
The rev sports are such garbage now
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:20 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 03:20 PM ET
Thank goodness for the MUTE option!!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:58 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:58 PM ET
Psst. You aren't doing it right if you can still see/respond to posts**
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:45 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 05:45 PM ET
Psst, I still occasionally check muted posts to see what daily drivel
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 08, 2024 at 01:18 AM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/08/24 01:18 AM ET
Lol. It’s like he unmuted to let me know I’ve been muted. 😂 **
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:28 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 06:28 PM ET
This could be a dissertation...
◄
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:33 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 02:33 PM ET
So you are saying there aren't many 4-5* hunter/fishermen
-- 1980VT
Feb 05, 2024 at 07:43 PM ET
1980VT
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02/05/24 07:43 PM ET
What do you have to say about experience and maturity (part of retention)
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:15 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 03:15 PM ET
Don't recruit players who jump from one school to another in high school
-- 1980VT
Feb 05, 2024 at 07:47 PM ET
1980VT
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02/05/24 07:47 PM ET
Maybe we just need to find them girlfriends...Lookin' at you Hunter Cattoor**
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:32 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 04:32 PM ET
I like your thinking, but that sounds a lot more expensive! haha**
-- WildTurkE
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:46 PM ET
WildTurkE
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02/05/24 05:46 PM ET
NIL for basketball just makese more sense bang-for-buck
-- Bmackattack
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:12 PM ET
Bmackattack
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02/05/24 03:12 PM ET
I'd actually bump your 11 for football up to 22+. Even stronger argument.**
-- Hokie622
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:16 PM ET
Hokie622
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02/05/24 03:16 PM ET
I mean...I very much agree
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:16 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:16 PM ET
Not only the most popular, but generating the most money. When next round
-- icelus
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:19 PM ET
icelus
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02/05/24 06:19 PM ET
If the goal is to possibly get into a better football conference...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 10:40 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 10:40 PM ET
Great way to end up in the American Athletic Conference. lol.
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:33 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 04:33 PM ET
imo, Whit/VT have to stand on the nil gas for wbb...
-- VT757to276
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:34 PM ET
VT757to276
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02/05/24 03:34 PM ET
Anything MY might do different to
-- Pride_and_Joy
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:11 PM ET
Pride_and_Joy
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02/05/24 03:11 PM ET
Important to note as a follow-up...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:06 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:06 PM ET
I like how you connect VT's geography with how they have to approach sports
-- hokienole
Feb 05, 2024 at 06:14 PM ET
hokienole
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02/05/24 06:14 PM ET
Atmosphere is wonderful...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:49 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 02:49 PM ET
I also wondered the same thing...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:09 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:09 PM ET
This is a great summary, when Mike Young was hired the convo...
-- Cvillehoops13
Feb 05, 2024 at 02:46 PM ET
Cvillehoops13
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02/05/24 02:46 PM ET
!00% spot on!!**
-- ancient alien 2018
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:52 PM ET
ancient alien 2018
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02/05/24 04:52 PM ET
I agree if what I think you are saying is what you are saying...
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 03:12 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 03:12 PM ET
I want to thank you for your thoughtful responses and thorough responses to
-- legalaire
Feb 05, 2024 at 04:50 PM ET
legalaire
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02/05/24 04:50 PM ET
No problem! It's a good question **
-- GCHokie34
Feb 05, 2024 at 05:04 PM ET
GCHokie34
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02/05/24 05:04 PM ET