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Men's Basketball Board
4 mo ago
Been offline for a bit. Are people upset w/ the decision to forego the NIT?
I'm seeing a few mentions of people upset and am a bit baffled. Are we really upset our guys were disappointed in their season and don't want to be force to go out and play in a meaningless post season tourney? My initial reaction was "Yeah, that seems appropriate given how the season panned out".
So why are folks upset? Because they wanted to watch the Hokies more? How was our home attendance this year? Would we have packed a Cassell for a home NIT game or had another embarrassing display of fan support?
I have to imagine booing and not showing up to games impacted some player's desires to play more....
In all seriousness, who cares? Let's all just move on from this season and not drag the disappointment out any further.
Men's Basketball Board
4 mo ago
My only takeaway - Don't think we had a single review go our way this year.
Amani twice told Mike young to challenge a play this year (that I recall) and both times the call was not overturned and we lost a timeout. That happened another time or two with other players as well this year.
Last night, we finally got a review to go our way with the OOB call. Except it didn't. Because we challenged and it was overturned, we then got the ball and first used a timeout anyway, and then got a flagrant 1 to give Wake 2 FTs and the ball. So we finally got a critical review to go our way and it actually hurt us more than if it hadn't... Just our luck :)
The Lounge
5 mo ago
Go to Karlovy Vary if in Pragueβ¦
Stay or visit the Grand Pupp, site of casino royale poker scene and Last Holiday movie with Queen Latifah. Controlled by Russian mafia. Prague and Karlovy Vary is my favorite spot in all of Europe!! Beware NC State has a big flag in the main square in Prague
Baseball Board
6 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
Most people's expectations are from after the Providence game
whether they admit it or not. Mike Young said post-game he has a lot of work to do and admitted that may be one of his best games.
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
No, let's think logically.
If you what you say is true, then it's most likely that VT is reserving those tickets for their ticketing partner - SeatGeek. This is a common strategy and is obviously a delicate balance. The goal is to keep the donors happy with their access, but also MAXIMIZE revenue. We talk about revenue all the time and keeping up with other conferences and programs, and this is one basic way to maximize revenue.
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
As someone who doubted him previously I'll admit I was wrong..
He is definitely a net positive for our team. His intensity and effort is a good tone setter for the team.
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
College production =/= NBA success. Many examples across the league of
guys producing better in NBA than in college.. Look at NAW right now. He has a BETTER assist to turnover ratio in the NBA than he did at VT.
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
No shot he comes back to college unless some school makes an insane offer.
I would be shocked if he did anything but enter the draft.. His measurables and potential are there, and that's what matters for the NBA. I think he came to college for more exposure and he's gotten it. Yes, he wanted to elevate his stock to a lottery pick level, and maybe he hasn't done that (yet), but he's gotten the exposure and seemingly assured himself of being drafted. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the weaknesses in his game, but those are likely all fixable. He's not reliant on being a taller, faster or more athletic than his competition to be productive, and that is important because he won't be any of those things in the NBA.
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
6 mo ago
Canβt imagine βbroken tibiaββ¦
Thatβs the large bone in your lower leg and unless itβs a very rare avulsion fracture involving the very strong deltoid ligament, virtually all tibia fractures require surgery and several months to return to competition. A fibula fracture is
More likely and usually requires 4-6 weeks to return to competition. Note I did not see the mechanism of injury.
Men's Basketball Board
7 mo ago
Rules, physicality of play allowed, and consistency of calls. Here is an
example of Austin Reeves being defended in college vs NBA
Men's Basketball Board
7 mo ago
Nearly certainly. He is playing very well. He doesn't turn the ball over.
He gets it out of his hands and to other players well. Also, look at many of the top players in the NBA. So many of them weren't THE BEST college player. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander averaged 14ppg and 3 turnovers a game at UK. Now he's averaging 33ppg and 1.7 turnovers per game.
Austin Reeves was good not great in college, but the officiating of the NBA game allows for him to shine.
The list goes on and on. College basketball is played and officiated so differently than the NBA. That's why you hear so much about potential.
Men's Basketball Board
7 mo ago
Nice. We've played 5 ~top 100 (eff) teams in a row and went 3-2. Solid.
We are in a good position heading into conf play. The ACC has done better in non-conf this year so we will have plenty of chances at good wins and improving our metrics. ACC is still probably 4th best conference at this point, mostly due to the bottom 3rd of the league.
Men's Basketball Board
7 mo ago
VT- 68, GMU - 63, Neo -11
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/6/2025, 1:07:26 PM
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/6/2025, 1:08:00 PM
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Disappointing for sure, but much better than last year (2-14)
The conference has definitely improved, and we should get a few more bids this year because of it.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Good news & bad news on our remaining schedule.
VT has 13 games scheduled against ACC teams currently in the top 80 of the NET rankings.
9 away games and only 4 home games. We actually need top 75 road wins for our resume (Q1), but the schedule definitely gave us an easier home schedule than away schedule - making those games even tougher to win.
Average NET ranking of home ACC games - 93
Average NET ranking of away ACC games - 39
Obviously, these rankings will fluctuate a good bit over the next few weeks as more data is added.
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/3/2025, 2:33:12 PM
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Last night was his 2nd best game. He consistently drew a double and got the
ball to a player with space and an advantage.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Fair enough. Just my assessment based on the past few games, although
I admittedly didn't get to watch the entire games closely. I just seem to see him getting beat off the dribble pretty consistently, but good point on the tough defensive matchup. Mike Young did speak very positively about him so I'll trust his opinion over mine.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
He did play great defense on that last possession of reg. It's not the norm
but obviously his ability on offense makes up for what he lacks on defense. I like him and hope for the best, but I worry about our defense in general in ACC play.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Not acting like I'm an NIL high-roller or speaking on anything that goes
on behind closed doors. You made a statement regarding $229M and the ACC. The fact of the matter is that publicly available information indicates VCU basketball players are set to make more than VT basketball players. None of my statements or knowledge are based on any insider knowledge.
Q1: I don't know how that works. Was not claiming to have inside knowledge of how much they made. I just googled VCU Revenue Sharing basketball and multiple articles came up reporting that figure.
Q2: My estimate was based on the reporting that Franklin has been promised $15M in revenue sharing. That would leave only $5M for other sports. From there I assumed Whit/VT would want to provide some for other sports and made that estimation entirely on my own. I've now done a bit more research and found that it is publicly reported that VT basketball players are set to make about $230k each. I was off by about 15% on the high end of my estimate of $100-200k. Link is at the bottom.
VCU players are set to make on average $300-380k compared to $230k on average for VT players. Here is one of many, many articles reporting that figure for VCU ($4-5M divided by 13 scholarships).
This whole thread is regarding the $229M budget you alluded to, and the point is that doesn't affect the amount of revenue we can share with players. We could contribute $2 Billion to the athletic budget, and that won't change the max revenue sharing is $20M. Additionally, VCU could potentially contribute a full $20M into basketball revenue sharing if they want. VT has already promised $15M of the $20M to football, so we could only increase this marginally.
I've not claimed to know what goes on behind closed doors, only tried to highlight what many fans, including you, have failed to realize. Basketball programs without a football program can have a serious advantage if they want it.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Google - top result.
Nice quote on my statement, but you have no clue what the reality of the NIL funds available are. And everything reported thus far indicates VCU basketball players will make more than VT players. That is the benefit of not having a football program.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Where's your source? VCU players may make more in revenue sharing.
VT hasn't announced what our rev sharing plan is, but if the rumors from the Franklin hire are true then VCU basketball players are very likely to make more in rev sharing. Potentially $400k for each VCU player, compared to $100-$200k for VT basketball players.
Feel free provide your opinion on coaches, but you lose credibility when you make statements on things you don't know anything about.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Maybe the worst take I've seen on here and I've seen a lot.
Mike Young won the ACC Tournament. Brent Pry best like 1 P4 team with a winning record.
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Mostly accurate, but most folks don't understand one critical element....
Deloitte's role is not to DENY or invalidate any NIL deal. Deloitte's role is to review and evaluate submitted NIL deals. Deloitte does not say "you can't do this". Deloitte will say "cleared" - which means this deal checks the boxes for fair market value based on a variety of factors. If the deal does not meet requirements, they will outline so and allow for restructuring of the deal so that it does.
The NCAA is still responsible for separately pursuing, reviewing and evaluating any deals that may violate any eligibility requirements. Until the NCAA does something about any NIL deal not following the rules, there is still really no strict regulation.
As someone who has worked closely with Deloitte for years, they are experts at creating a perceived value/role in your business, and in this case they are giving the NCAA a legal crutch to point to their position and role with NIL GO. The NCAA still hasn't shown they are willing to pursue any potential NIL deals that don't follow guidelines, although I believe almost all submitted to NIL GO have been cleared (or at least restructured to eventually clear). I've spoken directly with Deloitte Sports executives on this matter and I assure you, it's classic consulting/auditing positioning.
Again, if your NIL deal is not "cleared", they will tell you it is not, and allow you to revise repeatedly until it does "clear". It's more of a resource for reassurance for both the NCAA and the players (the NCAA doesn't want 1,000 NIL deals that violate any rules, and players don't want to unknowingly become ineligible -not that the NCAA is willing to push that issue right now).
To add further nuance to all of this, the criteria used to determine fair market value is so vague and complex, it's almost impossible to not make an argument for fair market value. For example, one of the factors in determining fair market value is explictily stated as previous NIL deals for similar circumstances. So the precedent has been set that a top QB, performing certain basic obligations, is already worth the price set forth. I don't know what that number is, but for example if Carson Beck is paid $2M for x, y and z - that is now the precedent for some of the criteria for fair market value.
A bit long here but the summary is this is all mostly for show. It's meant to protect the NCAA, but also the players to some degree (or the scenario of the NCAA needing to deal with 10,000 ineligible athletes).
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 11/19/2025, 12:49:07 PM
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 11/19/2025, 1:54:48 PM
Men's Basketball Board
8 mo ago
Bookmark this link
Yes it requires some ability to stream from a device to a TV, and a good ad blocker or browser like Brave.
Men's Basketball Board
1 y ago
Football Board
1 y ago
Men's Basketball Board
2 y ago
Now they are on a level playing field with those who weren't?
You're telling me all of these transfers who got NIL deals didn't talk with anyone about them before enrolling in their new school? Not a chance. I'm not in the know but I'd assume every major transfer we've gotten in football and basketball over the past two years technically broke some rules relating to discussing NIL opportunities.
This just looks like the media blowing the implications out of proportion to try and get more clicks...
Men's Basketball Board
2 y ago
Men's Basketball Board
2 y ago
I would love to see that continue. We have 25% less time to find a good
shot than our opponents do. We are so opposed to pushing the ball outside of offensive sets that we allow all teams to 3/4 court press us to bleed 7-8 seconds every single possession. I know we are trying to focus on what we do best in the half court, but at this point almost every single opponent plays 3/4 court to bleed our shot clock because we will not threaten to score off of the soft press.
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Just relax and be happy for the kid. Same for Alleyne.
Glad to see them both contributing off the bench as part of good teams.
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 3/23/2023, 8:53:33 PM
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Winning out would give us 4 Q1 wins. Miami is not Q1 and if we beat them...
They won't be likely to make it into the top 30 due to their remaining scheduling being less than stellar. As you saw last year and we've seen stated publicly, the committee does not put much, if any, weight on the conference tourneys.
Either way, I hope we get to find out who is right!
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
OSU and UNC are both 1 spot away from Q1, Duke is 2 spots away.
Penn St. is 10 spots out but with a tough B10 schedule they could easily make the top 50.
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Not a surprising outcoming. Hopefully we can get to 6-6 in conference.
Tough stretch ahead and going above .500 in it would be a win.
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/31/2022, 2:13:48 PM
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
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Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
Pedulla stat - One of the top underclassmen in the country.
Bart Torvik has a player rating metric called PORPAGATU! (points over replacement per adjusted game at that usage).
Currently Pedulla is at 5.1 which is good enough for tied for 38th in the country. He is the 2nd highest underclassmen in the country in this rating with only Bama's Brandon Miller ahead of him (1 & done lottery pick freshman).
Linked is the full ranking.
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/17/2022, 11:20:26 PM
** Edited by Hokie Trainer at 12/17/2022, 11:20:49 PM
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
We may already have 3 quad 1 wins under our belt.
PSU is currently a Q1 win at 49th in the NET. UNC is 37th in the NET and assuming they end up finishing in the top 5 of the ACC, I'd have to imagine they would move into the top 30 NET for a second Q1 win. Then finally, OK St is 54th in NET currently. They'll drop a few after today, but their conference strength will give them plenty of chances to move well into the top 50.
I'd give all three better than 50/50 shots at being Q1 at season's end.
Men's Basketball Board
3 y ago
He was fairly highly rated. He had some eligibility issues
in HS but did end up playing his last year in Dayton/Ohio if I recall.