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That is not what I am asking

You and few others are predicting the implosion of the ACC as if this is some kind of amazing insight. You and a few others also act like you are the only people with the rare ability to see the future and you need to keep beating your drum. Here is a fact for you - no one is arguing with you. I don't see anyone saying that the financial structure of NCAA sports is not in flux. What I am asking is - now what? Those who say the B12 and ACC are doomed to failure need to recognize a simple fact. If there is not a better option, they are not going anywhere. So far, you and your ilk have been unable to paint a picture of the future that demands the disintegration of the current players in order to be realized. Here are my observations and conclusions. First, Division 1 FB will be divided into 3 tiers. The top tier is currently represented by the SEC and B10 schools. The second tier is currently represented by the ACC and B12 schools. The third tier is everybody else. Second, I am highly doubtful that Tier 1 adds more than a couple schools from the Tier 2 pool. In this process I also think that the Tier 1 conferences jettison a few schools to Tier 2. Consequently, the media rights for the Tier 2 schools will remain where they currently are - a significant notch below Tier 1, and well above Tier 3. So, there will be a significant number of Tier 2 schools (30-40) that will need buying group representation. The ACC and B12 could merge or remain the same. One thing they will not do is disappear. Colleges need conferences for a lot of services they are not interested in providing for themselves. The ACC and B12 have the expertise and relationships. What business entity could come out of nowhere and replace them? I don't care what they are called eventually. What they currently do, will be provided in the future. Full stop. My opinion is that the ACC and B12 will likely remain in the future. The Tier 2 teams will shuffle back and forth a bit, but this is inconsequential from a business strategy standpoint. Do you have anything to add to these scenarios that would change this outcome? If so, I am listening and I am sure the board would love to hear something from you other than the ACC is in trouble. We know. We get it. Now what? ** Edited by VT ChemE 1986 at 5/26/2026, 12:00:28 PM
Posted: 05/26/2026 at 11:56 AM ET
(In response to this post by Baltimore_Hokie)

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2024-2025 revenue numbers are out
RandomAsianGuy 05/22/26 12:58 PM ET
Big 10 has two more teams than SEC. Adjust for that and the Gap is smaller
wwhokie1 05/24/26 07:51 AM ET
Wow…
SMU Pony 05/22/26 02:19 PM ET
The ACC is in the 5 most populous states. No other conference is.
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 09:28 AM ET
Two things stand out to me about the gaps
HokieAl 05/22/26 03:05 PM ET
It’s all about eyeballs. UM making the championship game
Marooned 05/23/26 09:05 PM ET
The SEC will need to shore up its region.
hokieball 05/23/26 11:23 AM ET
About #1. As much as I hate to admit it, as a college football
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 09:48 AM ET
If I was the BIG, I'd let ND be ND, and
Big12 guy 05/23/26 11:16 AM ET
I agree. And in a way, both FSU and A&M have an ax to grind with the SEC.
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 12:01 PM ET
A&M is pretty silly to think the SEC should never have invited Texas **
HokiesACC2004 05/27/26 05:29 AM ET
And A&M fails to realize that there is a power structure in place in the
Maroon Baboon 05/27/26 09:26 AM ET
I'm going to go out on a limb and forecast that UT Austin will never-
Baltimore_Hokie 05/27/26 10:04 AM ET
From your lips to God's ears. **
Big12 guy 05/28/26 10:41 AM ET
At the time of A&M's departure, along
Big12 guy 05/23/26 12:34 PM ET
Texas is still toxic.
RJHokie 05/23/26 12:58 PM ET
As much as A&M hates Texas and Sankey, they have all their
HouClone 05/23/26 11:26 AM ET
Gap still too large to ACC from Big 10/SEC for the brands
HouClone 05/22/26 01:34 PM ET
Once the ACC success payments take full effect, I predict that the highest
VT ChemE 1986 05/22/26 04:35 PM ET
Aren't all SEC teams making the same?
HouClone 05/22/26 09:57 PM ET
I'm not sure, but you just know now that the ACC has set the trend on this
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 09:19 AM ET
My assumption is that the SEC will eventually
VT ChemE 1986 05/23/26 09:15 AM ET
The gap is a giant red flag
HokieAl 05/22/26 03:18 PM ET
"if they can get the invite" is the operative phrase.
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 09:59 AM ET
I foresee lots of invitations.
33laszlo99 05/23/26 12:24 PM ET
I agree - Clemson better be flying their ACC flags
HouClone 05/23/26 11:24 AM ET
I agree except
MrFantastic! 05/23/26 02:11 PM ET
North Carolina State can't be ignored when it comes to UNC going anywhere.
Maroon Baboon 05/23/26 11:52 AM ET
KU doesn't fit the culture
Big12 guy 05/23/26 11:38 AM ET
Kansas didn't fit the old SEC. They fit in fine now.
hokie_jayhawk 05/23/26 08:21 PM ET
Things do change. How about that baseball team? **
Big12 guy 05/24/26 08:15 AM ET
Killing it **
HokiesACC2004 05/27/26 05:32 AM ET
Your statement assumes that the ACC crumbling solves the problem.
VT ChemE 1986 05/22/26 04:31 PM ET
It’s not doom and gloom. It’s a prediction based on observed data
HokieAl 05/22/26 09:32 PM ET
You did not understand my question.
VT ChemE 1986 05/23/26 09:17 AM ET
Stop being facetious and ask what you really mean to ask:
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 10:59 AM ET
That is not what I am asking
VT ChemE 1986 05/26/26 11:56 AM ET
If there is no further consolidation INTO the P2, and the status quo-
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 12:12 PM ET
So, the current 3 tiers will expand to 4? OK. Interesting.
VT ChemE 1986 05/26/26 12:28 PM ET
I don't think it would even be 20. I think it would be more like 16, or-
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 12:41 PM ET
I think 20 is reasonable
HokieAl 05/26/26 04:04 PM ET
It's a good vision. Now, all of the selfish forces that stand in the way
VT ChemE 1986 05/26/26 12:48 PM ET
You're forgetting that the B12 and ACC's media rights deals will both-
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 01:05 PM ET
I’ll get my popcorn. This will be fun to watch.**
VT ChemE 1986 05/26/26 01:45 PM ET
There are a variety......
2hhoop3 05/26/26 02:36 PM ET
Re: my "consolidation in a new conference" theory - watch the posturing-
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 03:10 PM ET
I agree..,....
2hhoop3 05/26/26 04:55 PM ET
I'll be darned. I agree with your
Big12 guy 05/28/26 07:04 PM ET
Implosion of the ACC is not a problem solve, it is an outcome
HokieAl 05/24/26 10:00 PM ET
So, P2 or bust?
VT ChemE 1986 05/24/26 10:27 PM ET
Currently, the B12 is not a step up
Big12 guy 05/25/26 09:19 AM ET
This is what some people on here cannot seem to grasp about all this.
Baltimore_Hokie 05/26/26 11:03 AM ET
I think the top brands will still leave the ACC if invited.
RandomAsianGuy 05/22/26 02:06 PM ET
Why would the SEC or BIG members want to have their
ancient alien 2018 05/25/26 04:30 PM ET
Small price to be paid for the cornering of the market.
RJHokie 05/25/26 04:51 PM ET
greed is the reason it won't happen.**
ancient alien 2018 05/25/26 07:08 PM ET
When going for the whole shebang, there will be a cost.
RJHokie 05/25/26 07:55 PM ET
Surprised ACC is that much higher than B12
VT ChemE 1986 05/22/26 01:06 PM ET
The BigXII media deal was struck before the addition of ASU/Arizona/Utah/CU
thebluelot 05/22/26 02:20 PM ET
4 corners joined in 24, this is 24-25 season, can give proof of pro rata #s
Stech 05/22/26 02:56 PM ET
Here you go.
thebluelot 05/22/26 03:12 PM ET
Don’t insult me, don’t give me homework, give me the facts.**
Stech 05/22/26 04:56 PM ET
Not sure where to start. I don't have the time teach you how to fact check
thebluelot 06/01/26 11:42 PM ET
The revenue advantage over the B12 is what I have been preaching for long
RandomAsianGuy 05/22/26 02:04 PM ET
The ACC will continue to have more than the Big 12
HouClone 05/22/26 08:26 PM ET
This is the correct answer. with the brands and ND, the ACC is
Big12 guy 05/22/26 10:57 PM ET
The B12 number will be better for 2025. Houston will see a very significant
RandomAsianGuy 05/22/26 10:07 PM ET
You're better off......
2hhoop3 05/22/26 02:54 PM ET
Took a jab, why? **
Big12 guy 05/22/26 04:26 PM ET
Don't pay attention to 2hh
thebluelot 05/22/26 09:27 PM ET
"Proof" they want, like any of us has the
Big12 guy 05/22/26 10:52 PM ET
I have rebutted everything.......
2hhoop3 05/22/26 09:54 PM ET
Not true. Just your opinion. How
Big12 guy 05/22/26 10:55 PM ET
Our records speak.......
2hhoop3 05/22/26 11:02 PM ET
Many Big 12 fans are salty.
RandomAsianGuy 05/23/26 01:56 PM ET
It was earned......
2hhoop3 05/22/26 04:58 PM ET